sad-ler,..you as a jew should know the blasphemy inherant in claiming the messiah to be god..[jesus in no way said this]..as many jews seeing the truth in his words well know..

his mission was to unite the fathers divided house,..and make a few corrections like the lie of an end-time judgment day/and that of a wrathfilled god..but its easier to ridicule the new covenant he brought than to try to live as jesus revealede we would live..[once we knew our fathers voice]

but clearly you havnt read the talmud you blindly defend..ask why settlers want talmud law?

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
quotations;from the Soncino Edition of the Talmud,(Book)

YEBAMOTH,60b...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an inquiry and'found'in it the daughter of a'proselyte'who was under the age of three years and one day(14),and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest(15)."

(footnotes)"(13)A proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest...(14)And was married to a priest.(15)i.e.,permitted to continue to live with her'husband'."

(Book)

SANHEDRIN,55b-55a:"What is meant by this?Rab said:Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that.

(footnotes)"(1)The reference is to..the passive..'subject'/victim..of sodomy

as you should know the talmud is but a trecent writing[certainly has no linkage to the teachings of the mressiah..who's new conenant is simply love god by loving neighbour...

revealing even a thief crusified alongside him..on the cross will this day..sic..be re-born in heaven..then briefly returned to reveal we all will be born again..[having the armogeddopn end time wont bring the messiah]..he all ready came

The Talmud (which comprises rabbinic discussions occurring over centuries, from 2,100 to 1,500 years ago, which in turn continue an much more ancient oral tradition of mainstream learning going back to Mosaic times) does not endorse sex with minors, indeed, it is forbidden. The Talmud, and Judaism as a whole, treats marriage as a chief symbol and form of holiness; it justifies no desecration of it, much less pedophilia, promiscuity or adultery. The highly selective and polemical quoting of snippets from the Talmud, without full discussion of context or commentary, is characteristic of antisemites; you ought not to indulge in it lest we think you one.

The historical reality is that Jewish family morality was the envy of the ancient world and was one reason so many then converted to Judaism, especially women, and it remains very high, especially and precisely amongst the most Rabbinically Orthodox but not only amongst them, as all comparative statistics show.

But this thread is not about the Talmud and was certainly not about Christianity. It is about Rabkin's article. You only betray your own strong and contemptible prejudices, and do not advance your cause, by your slurs against Judaism as a religion. Even worse, you tend to taint Christianity itself with your evident association of that religion with your own discreditable views.

This article is not just about Jews - it is also a reflection or even an allegory on being humans in general.

In our desire to live safely and to demonstrate our love to our children by showing them only nice things, we have exterminated most of the animal kingdom on earth and destroyed or altered most of the plant kingdom as well.

We overlook the fascism in taking for granted that our species is superior to all others, and are helped by the fact that animals and plants do not protest: they do not call the UN security council, they don't build refugee-camps, they don't strap explosives to their belt and blow themselves up in shopping centres - they simply starve and die.

We all run for safety, and trample on others as we do so. We all are confused by the half-truths we are told, but as in the case of Israel, only very few of us actually mean to deliberately harm others.

Some of us find ourselves born on this side or the other, but ultimately, this the human condition.

dear sad-ler...i note you dont quote the quoted extracts in full..as you advize me..[i first quoted them in full here some time ago,they are written deliberatly to confuse..thus if you can quote them fully this would be appriciated

if you could provide a link to the talmud ONLINE..would also help eliminate that..you call missleading..the facts are as they are able to be proved to be..[failure to give their correct fullness means they stand as quoted]

i note even in their abriviated posting..they back up what you say about the sanctity of marrage..[seems even the marrage of a rabbi to a baby stand's as sacred]..

its not diffi-cult to see how laws such as those quoted might well suit those stealing others lands..[this point is undenyable]

to say god approves of murder..will take a lot of verifyable evidence..[your own laws state that a lands value..depends on how much of the jubalee term remains..[it is noteworthy that the land then is required to revert to its legitimate owners..this of course has not occured]..in israel

further on the sacredness of marrage,..see our biggest form of adultery is betraying our marrage to god..[god the life giver..gives all living their lives to live..[thou shalt not murder indicates all life is sacred..thus murder is the vilest of crimes,

advocating murder thus is the highest form of adultery..betrayal of god...how can you seek to justify murder of those who's lands you steal...

please do not call me christian..[i am neither xtian nor muslim..i am but one who reads all the sacred-texts holding them all holy...

as god has..not seen fit..to allow me to read the talmud..i regard the few extracts of it..i have been allowed to come across..of indicating it unholy....but despite this opinion..PUT UP AN elink to the talmud LINK AND LET OTHERS JUDGE..

i promise i will read it..and get back to you...fai;lure to put up a link means..i will remain of the belief..the book..[talmud]..to he wholy unholy

Oh dear... another set of 'values' to deal with.

As if living in a nation-state full of 'Australian values' wasn't bad enough, now we read of another nation-state full of 'Jewish values'.... is that why we have problems getting on I wonder... too many competing and different 'values'.

Canada has 'Canadian values' too, and is, or at least was, busy trying to define what they are, apart from the 'not being American' mindset.

Could it be that Arabs have 'Arab values' too? And are there 'Palestinian values' sitting around somewhere?

I wonder if someone could send in a definitive set of values for all or any of these headings so we cam begin to see where our 'nation-state values' converge and where they conflict?

Australian values:

Christian values:

Jewish values:

Israeli values: (tricky eh? Will 'Israeli values' take note of the Arab Israeli's or only Jewish ones?)

Arab values:

Palestinian values:

Zionist values:

A word of warning... I don't think it's fair to list myths as values, nor hopes, and maybe someone can supply a definition of 'values'?