Fractelle

Were you being tongue in cheek, or do you subscribe to the crackpot assertion in the SA article you linked to? (As articles go, I much prefer David's somewhat non-sequitous link above to the Irish in New York.)

The reason for newly injected sperm displacing old sperm in the vagina is just a matter of physics – i.e. a moving force displacing a sedentary object. The idea that evolution somehow designed the penis in such a way as to send sperm into the vagina to slam the opposition is rhetoric strangely reminiscent of … well … locker room pep talks at Half-time.

The trouble with evolutionary theories about sexual biology is that they identically parallel the socio-political power structures of the era and society in which the theorists are living. In a society in which men are overwhelmingly encouraged to compete with other men to dominate the cultural space, it's only logical that theories of sexual biology will give sperm the exact same agenda.

Well, well it really did not take long for my former prediction to come true (ie that someone would be claiming that group sex like homosexuality and every other perversion is in the genes). Of course its nothing to do with the failure to admit that unless morals are taught around sexual behaviour people act like animals. I doubt whether the author would argue that the many pedophile homosexual priests were born that way or that the prostitute has it in her genes to want to have sex with the multitudes. Once again the author shows what absolute rot his evolutionary based theories are. He forgets that the theory of evolution teaches the fallacy that man is evolving into a higher more intelligent state. The theory fails miserably as we see men and women doing what they always have done without a knowledge of God (become more and more perverted)

SJF

Tongue most assuredly placed in cheek, however my point remains that Andrew's ideas on male/female characteristics are rather limited. Human sexuality is varied as it is complex.

The thought that a group of men feel entitled to use a woman like an inflatable doll in jerk-off ring, sounds more like a result of culture rather than nature.

I know too many wonderful men who value the women in their lives. What we need is to pass on these same values to our sons and for our daughters to have the sense of self to avoid such situations. I doubt that Johns feels the same depths of shame that the young woman who agreed to sex with him and found herself in an unrequested male fantasy from which she would've had a great deal of difficulty in speaking out. A memory that will remain with her for the rest of her life. Her conflict with that night is evident in her first attempting bravado by boasting, but as the memory would not rest easy within her mind, by finally having to speak out. With all the blame that attaches itself to women who dare to say in retrospect that she felt used. It does create a minefield for some men to navigate - however, perhaps if they would not like to see their wife/daughter/girlfriend in such situations then maybe they can act to protect a women from making a drunken mistake instead of giving tacit approval by doing nothing.

Raunch culture brings out the worst in men and women - time for women to realise they do not have to please all men all the time and for men to speak out against using women as sex-toys.

*This would mean that sperm from a lot of men is being channelled into one woman – the very opposite of the 'far and wide' evolutionary sperm theory.*

Actually not so, because the investment is a mere ejaculation, ready
to be repeated a short time later. The female invests years of
her life.

*I have to ask why a woman would want all her eggs fertilised by the one male. Makes sense to have a variety of fathers for her offspring but settle with one male who is good parent material.*

That is why kids do have a variety of fathers, the plumber, the
milkman, the pool boy. Women have flings like men have flings.
But as the female needs the provider of resources for her offspring
to stick around to feed them, it makes sense for her to pretend to
him that they are his.

*then maybe they can act to protect a women from making a drunken mistake instead of giving tacit approval by doing nothing.*

Err, we hear on this very forum that women know what they are doing,
they are equal to men and some say that chivalry is not welcome.
Fair enough. Would I rescue a bloke, if he was wandering off with
a group of girls who claimed to want to seduce him and he seemed
willing? Absolutaly not. Are you now saying that we should treat
you differently to men?

If I was paying a great deal of money to young athletes to perform in my team, I would want them at their best, when they played. I don't think this can be the case when they are abusing themselves with constant binge drinking episodes.

I would therefore have a clause in their contract restricting their behaviour. This may of course, make it hard to get the top players, but if the whole code implemented such a policy, much of this problem would disappear. One problem is that much of the management, & coaching staff are ex players, who have been there, & done that, & don't really see a problem.

What must be remembered is that these fit healthy strong young men are extremely attractive to a large percentage of young women. Just a few generations ago they would have represented the top of the tree in breeding partners, & are still up there in many circles. These blokes are going to get rushed by the mob, every where they go.

It was even still the case, when I went to school, in country NSW. How many remember the pop song that went, "You've got to be a football hero, to get away with a beautiful girl; You've got to be a touchdown getter you bet, if you want to get, that beauty to pet". Well it was pretty well true, at high school in my town.

Fortunately for me, there were only 24 of us [boys & girls] in 5Th year, & 35 in 4Th year, as it was in most country towns back then, so it wasn't too hard to make the senior football team, or I'd never have got a girl.

Apparently (according to a newspaper report) all it took for a footballer to entice a female into a nightclub toilet cubicle for sex was to walk up to her at the bar and say “Hi Sexy”.

If the male was not an easily recognised footballer would this approach have worked?

Probably not.

The footballer expected to get sex because of his perception of himself and how he perceives women.

The female is willing to have sex because of her perception of herself and how she perceives footballers.