Contrary to what Cheryl states, I always expect an immediate and hostile reaction from the overpopulation deniers. Growthism is so ingrained in our society that the majority of people seem unable to consider the consequences of what we're doing to this planet. As I said earlier, this is likely the same mindset that led to the spectacular collapses of past civilizations.

But the sane and civilized voices must persevere, even if for nothing else other than peace of mind.

Rick

I don't really need to add anything more to the we're overpopulated brigade, they've covered pretty much all there is. But what does disturb me is the amount of greedy, selfish, slime balls only worried about the size of their bank accounts and their need to attain ever more materialistic bullsh!t. To them they only worry about growing profit and to hell with the environment and other peoples quality of life. Politicians they must be? Politics being made up of two words. Poly, meaning many and ticks, being blood sucking insects

I've lived my whole life on this island, seen and experienced just about every inch of it and you know what? Life here was better thirty years ago, it was even better sixty years ago. Thirty years ago the rivers were clean and full of fish, yabby's, crays. The pastures, forests were green, full of wildlife and game. The oceans blue and teaming with life. The Estuaries breathing life with every tide change. The roads were empty and traffic congestion was unheard of, the air was clean. There was no need for revenue raising spy machines on every corner. Fresh water was plentiful most of the time. Now through ever increasing population all this is finished and life has turned to sh!t.

I don't give a rats for Plasma TV's, Personal Computers, Theater and all that useless crap. I'm and outdoors man, I hunt, fish, put up breading boxes, walk the bush, boat down the rivers, lakes, try to keep things in balance, enjoy nature and life for all it's worth. How does more people living on this island benefit me? And I'm not alone!

Cont'

Some people would call 'me' selfish, wanting it all for myself, Luddite they call me. Well suck my (insert profanity here). My way is sustainable and enjoyable by everyone for thousands of years to come. The other is a certain road to destruction! There needs to be a balance and that time is passing I'm afraid! Is that how we want our future generations to experience life? Being stuck inside a box watching what once was on an artificial screen? I know my kids don't!

It's pretty obvious to me who the useless eaters are on this rock!

Raw Mustard, that is the best post on the subject I have read. All I can say is "Yeah and Amen"

David

Cheryl: It's total quackery. When checking the neo-Malthusians'/fascists' expression, it becomes clearer that they have not made any critical reflection on their own beliefs. They make no case at all to counter the clear historically fascist parallels with their own zealous exclusivity, narcissism, animalism, regressive entropic worldview, and primordial xenophobia.

That means cultish fanaticism and irrational cognition, and when such qualities determine or even just influence policy, then the results promise mayhem and bloody murder, eventually. Consider the profile of typical European fascist beliefs in the 1930s:

- Sentimentally opposed to modern industrial society, urbanization and the distance from primitive farming, folklore, etc.
- Obsessive fear of presumed “threats” of deluge by notional others, especially “racial” whether “Oriental”, “Jew”, “Slav”, “African”, etc.
- Entropic worldview of “finite resources” spawning claims of unjust distribution, thereby presuming justified oppression and extermination – for Lebensraum, Ancient Destiny, etc. - outside national borders, especially in Eastern Europe, North Africa.
- Mythical elevation of “the natural world” with escapist preoccupations over forests, excursions, nudism and other outdoor activity, ancient religious paganism and rites, “traditional” foods, etc.

Of course, many of these soft-headed petals often like to regard themselves as “leftist” too, but even that simple tag bears no close examination whatsoever. For the same reason I take issue with your assessment that they're “anti-capitalist”. On matters of ETS, privatization, and artificially inflated prices for utilities and oil, these people overwhelmingly support the kind of ruthless robber barons that represent the most extremely mercenary type of capitalist predators. I think we need to identify a distinction: fascists despise any capitalist industry which makes efficient contribution of real, physical difference to the health, comforts and realized potential for vast numbers of people. They like high-tech, but their notion of industry is an exclusive preserve of limited production and correspondingly very limited access (think early VW and TV production in Nazi Germany).

Many historians have identified the fundamental hypocrisies and other inconsistencies in past fascism, but such study hasn't prevented these people's repetitions thereof.

That's the kind of fascist nutbags we're up against.

Plenty of money to gamble, to have boob jobs, to pee against a wall, to smoke, to buy tons of drugs (illegal and legal), two and three car families, to fund numerous failed projects, to win elections. Overpopulation is a myth held by deceived and/or selfish people who really don't have a clue. Keep populating folk ans don't allow the social engineers to make you feel guilty about it. The only global warming is the hot air they spit out.