a mention on the abc..5;13..on a[5 oclock kids show]..had these kids on it..i only half heard it because i was cooking dinner...[but these children said eugenics..then gave their re-definition of it...turns out eugenics is the science of gmo mofification..[now]..at least for all the kids watching tv...but it was soon explained better..lol

i glanced up at the word..in time to see this asian kid defining his genetical modification..via eugenics..that made his body 'space-proof'..[later i heard the word again spoken by some young femail..[the villan i think]..they had some kid clamped on an autopsy table going to conduct some eugenics thing on him

this is from the [YOUR]..abc...its just so sad to see what ccc-rap they are filling our kids minds with...its not likely a thing you want to have to re-explain to kids..to correct the lie your abc implanted..two times in 3 minutes into their minds...but there you go...the damage is done..

wonder how many now..will hope they get eugenics..done to them..so they too can fly a flying-saucer..the china looking kid was some space flying saucer..pilot...lol

hopefully you eugenisist supporters out there have your kids watching the abc...thanks heaps aunty..its sad to see how low the abc has sunk

hopefully those believing the theory start doing it ammoung themselves..first..[but i suspect they much prefer..if kids start doing it to each-other]..so only their 'own'..pure/perfect genes survive

OUG: scary about the "Eugenics" sleaze on Aunty, but hardly surprising.

Eugenics is the dirty secret of an elitist cult. Such imperialist, racist entities as Churchill and Keynes were prominent advocates, while the Nazis and other fascists took it up keenly as an ideological weapon in their own anti-population and anti-human drives. Eugenics is the logical progression (for want of a better term) from Malthusian views hostile to population growth in general, and to such growth and progress among poor people in particular.

Once the Eugenicists identify the supposed "useless eaters" among the populace, it's no major challenge for Eugenicist policy-makers to start the process. Of course, more overtly "fascist" regimes such as Nazi Germany started its own Eugenicist project via "euthanasia" of the chronically ill, the retarded, etc., which very fast ended up in mass murder of "work shy", "vagrant", then on to any other they arbitrarily stigmatized among the populace.

As part of the genocidalists' effort to identify "the life not worth living" or "better off unlived" (as recorded in explicit National Socialist movie propaganda), "euthanasia" is a key component in the genocidalists' armory. As you doubtless know, the ABC gives plenty of free publicity to euthanasia campaigner Nitchke (Oz's answer to Jack Kevorkian), and neo-Malthusians express a general support for such trends too.

Now an interesting point apparent from this "discussion" is the neo-Malthusians' targets in 21st Century Australia. Ludwig believes the problem starts with the kids. But if the project was about productivity and demographic balance, many other genocidalists will use their simplistic, nasty flowchart to target the elderly, sick, handicapped, etc.

With such trends as barbarically privatized health systems and normalized Kevorkianism, we can probably expect genocidalists to push both angles. Thus, families with kids (except for the rich) and the majority of the aged, should all regard themselves as targets in the neo-Malthusian genocidalists' sights.

Btw, in Australia's current demographic context, reducing immigration IS immoral. It's also suicidal - which is fine for eugenicists of course, because they (mostly) have their titles and nest eggs sorted out in advance.

"The Sustainability Imperative"! Yeah, fascism.

“I just love the way people insist on convenient pigeonholes, Ludwig.”

Sheesh Pericles. I’m not pigeonholing or labelling you. I was just responding to what appeared to me to be an admission on your part as being an (over)population denier.

I derived that impression partly from this;

“So here's a little challenge for those who simply call us `overpopulation deniers’ “.

You seemed to be grouping yourself with others on this thread that are clearly deniers of any overpopulation problem.

Excuuuse me if I got the wrong idea.

Alright… it is actually quite good that you reacted so strongly to be called a population denier. It is now apparent to me that you certainly aren’t one. That’s very good. Pleased to have straightened that out (:>)

Now where was I? Oh yes…… I was addressing your questions from a few posts back.

Oh uh, I just noticed this:

“OK, you solution-deniers, time to get to work.”

Hmmm…solution-deniers. I just love the way some people insist on convenient pigeonholes! ( :>/

Amie : In response to ShazBaz Water Desalination ;" We haven't got Time" .

I am not sure what you have in mind to achieve your rapid Population decline ; is it local or World wide .

To high lite your Problem : Africa................? You might take a look at what the Islamic people in Western Countries are doing ; Populate or Perish , might be their attitude .

You don't have the leverage in democracies to "ENFORCE" peoples family programs ; sure you can remove cash incentives and I would hope you wouldn't countenance removing health and family assistance .

I have 5 kids and I am very security conscious , my question to you is : will you allow my family to be regulated so not to offend Islamic Law .
I thought a lot had been achieved since Cronulla , that is until I met some Melbourne Taxi drivers . Ugly experience not to be repeated .

How can we operate foul industries like Yallourn and expect no downside same thing with Motor Vehicles Bendigo to Melb return pre fuel injection four gallons of catalytically affected not burnt in the engine fuel exited probably hundreds of individual toxic chemicals probably still breaking down in the earth and atmosphere , did this affect AGW I can't prove it did but I bet it did something unsavory to someone or something and to a lesser extent it's still happening !

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How can we operate foul industries like Yallourn and expect no downside same thing with Motor Vehicles Bendigo to Melb return pre fuel injection four gallons of catalytically affected not burnt in the engine fuel exited probably hundreds of individual toxic chemicals probably still breaking down in the earth and atmosphere , did this affect AGW I can't prove it did but I bet it did something unsavory to someone or something and to a lesser extent it's still happening !

My water proposal the Seawater Desalinator is very Low Tech , Journeymen could construct 75% of the project , initially it would be powered by a Diesel Generator , eventually by Steam Turbine Electricity from the Cooper Basin , Best Location for the project would be in WA possibly between Eucla and Red Rocks Point with an aqueduct striking about NNW about 930 K's long by 200 K's wide .......186000 square Klm . This would miss all or most Indigenous area's I think . Note: 'If this matters decarbonising the Atmosphere helps Aboriginals too.'
How much carbon would a Forrest of that dimension require ?
Enough to make a difference ?
Could Palm oil Plantations make a difference to Carbon Capture ?
What would the best tree to grow , high carbon low maintenance ?
Bear in mind a tree growing collects carbon a mature tree not growing anymore collects very little carbon , so the tree selected will need to be usefull for lumber or paper etc.
Honey production Lease would need to be secured for the Project and this could be a consideration when selecting tree variety .

All the above is designed to "Salt" your imagination , if you consider it could be viable then you are thinking positively and should you promote the idea you could appear on an Honor Board one day recognizing your contribution to saving our Planet .

The persons that say were too late , are the one's that didn't get out of bed .

Let’s see…the rational and considered cautions from the Ehrlichs and Lovelocks of the world that we need to work now to reduce the suffering of future generations, or the rabid and one-sided attacks of the likes of mil-observer and others, and even attacks on those who propose very humane measures…

It’s pretty clear to me who really cares about humans, this planet, and their future.

And Pericles, nice attempt to dodge the questions, but you did read what was on my blog, and clearly have no plan if any of the predictions regarding peak anything have any validity. I asked first, so you do the research if you really want to know, as it’s clear already that nothing I say will have any effect on your unshakable world view.

I’m getting the sense here of the same standoff seen in creationism/evolution debates – just another faith-to-faith confrontation, with no resolution in sight (although, in this case, the resolution may already be out of our hands, according to Lovelock and others). On the one hand, we have those who wish to prop up an unsustainable economy and population level that are destroying the biodiversity of this planet, and who don’t seem to care that we are leaving behind a crowded, polluted, and resource-depleted planet for our children. These are likely the same sorts who led to the crashes of past civilizations. On the other hand, we have those who have faith that humans actually do have the intelligence to solve the problems we are creating, and are raising the alarm in an attempt to mitigate what they see as the coming disaster and crash. At least, from what I’ve seen here, I’m on the right side in terms of those who actually seem to care about other people, this planet, and their future.

There is my own unshakable world view, for your entertainment, and I am very much looking forward to the next iteration of GPSO (http://gpso.wordpress.com/ ).

Oh, and thanks, Ludwig.

“Malthus wasn’t wrong, just a bit ahead of his time.”

Rick