I suspect that Protagoras may be referring to Plimer's unsuccessful court action, with Dave Fasold, against Creationist Allen Roberts and Ark Search.

Plimer and Fasold charged copyright infringement and trading in misleading and deceptive information against Roberts and Ark Search.

It seemed - in my admittedly non-legal opinion - that the judge, perhaps wishing to avoid an ugly confrontation with religionists - erred on the side of caution in deciding that although Ark Search indeed breached copyright and produced misleading and deceitful material, they were not *technically* a business, ipso facto, they couldn't be convicted.

The judge commented that if Ark Search *had* been a business, and thus been found to be trading in this material, they *would* have lost the case.

Nice.

Obviously, charging money to lecture to the faithful, peddling DVDs and books, and (as Plimer observed in "Telling lies for God") stashing away biscuit tins full of unaccountable cash doesn't count as "trading".

Looks like L. Ron Hubbard was right about religion and making a million.

clownfish, i think you're right. but the concerns go well beyond the fact that plimer lost a court case (and also settled a defamation action against him out of court).

plimer, incredibly, made the creationists look like the good and reasonable guys. there are many people fighting the good fight against creationism and intelligent design who were appalled at plimer's conduct.

Democrats Fast-track Cap and Trade Bill
(CNSNews)
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=2031

the/Energy and..Commerce..Committee/put their cap and trade global warming bill–on..the fast-track..Monday.

“..our majority colleagues..can rise proudly to the challenge of global-warming..by moving out smartly,..before a suspicious public takes notice..and well ahead of any consultation with voters.”

Democratic leaders decided to work behind closed doors.

Barton showed a public largely ignorant of what cap and trade is.

“My goal is to conclude consideration of the legislation on Thursday, May 21.”Waxman wrote.“Members should be prepared to work late on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings.”

The bill would require drastic cuts in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by cutting emissions across the entire economy to 17 percent of 2005 levels by 2050,meaning that the economy would be forced to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 83 percent by 2050.

In a compromise with industrial-state Democrats,..Waxman and Markey agreed to allow the Environmental Protection Agency to distribute..rather than auction..emissions caps..to energy-intensive industries.

Under this proposal..,electricity producers would be..given..35 percent of the caps,..natural gas companies would get..GIVEN..nine percent, five percent..given to environ groups/combating international deforestation,..and 10 percent would go toward the states.

In all,85 percent of the caps would be given away,in direct opposition to President Obama’s plan,..which called for 100 percent of the caps to be auctioned...[then traded in the market/by securities traders..

Under the Democratic compromise,..15 percent of the caps would be auctioned,with the proceeds going toward low-and moderate-income households to help offset..the inevitable rise in energy prices.thats the'cap'part..[industry gets the rest for free..[to trade with]

Waxman said the choice between a robust economy and clean energy was false,saying that Republican warnings about the bill’s negative economic consequences were nothing but..“doomsday predictions.”

Republicans,he said,“will argue that this bill will undermine our economy.(They)will claim that there is a fundamental conflict between economic growth and clean energy...are inextricably linked..That is a false choice.

We have seen these same doomsday predictions before,”..Waxman said in his opening statement.

Barton argued that the environmental benefit was minimal while the economic damage could be massive,“We know the cost is significant...We know the environmental benefit is basically nonexistent
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=2033
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1786

Thanks for the links UOG. I trust Obama’s policies on climate change can be implemented without too much interference from the greed merchants who remain sufficiently deluded in believing that they’re still in charge.

The Spencer/Christy mission to defame the climate scientists has been done to death but they’re still going after Hansen who wisely resists getting into a bun fight with these guys. Christy, I once thought, was an ethical scientist who I'd hoped could have resolved some of the uncertainties about CC. Unfortunately, he’s looking a bit shabby these days and the scientific community are largely ignoring him. As my mum used to say: “Lay with dogs and you get up with fleas,” and Christy’s association with the fool Spencer has done little for his career.

Christy acknowledges that global warming is partly the result of human activity and has also acknowledged that he’s no “climate expert.”

Nevertheless, he prefers to remain embroiled in the US’s urban heat island controversy , however even correcting this phenomena in the US has proven that the overall warming remains unaffected and makes no difference to global mean temperatures.

http://cce.890m.com/temperature-record/

http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/22/should-you-believe-anything-john-christy-or-roy-spencer-say/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052001151.html

http://www.desmogblog.com/roy-spencer

How intriguing that some ten links have been supplied on this thread – all relevant to the Plimer topic yet they have been ignored – including the reviews of Plimer’s book by three of Australia’s top scientists.

Now those who obfuscate, rally to feast off the gossip, lead by the troll. Nevertheless UOG, you may wish to assist the gentleman Plimer who it appears, is in dire financial straits. His persistent and public outbursts against "greens", the scientific community, environmentalists and creationists has perhaps seen his eugenics’ mission hit a brick wall - methinks?

However, if you wish to donate to his “fighting fund” to assist in the bomb and destroy mission against the creationists, the following address is provided for your convenience. Thanks for your generosity UOG:

"The Prof. I.R. Plimer Fighting Fund"
Broken Hill Community Credit Union Ltd (Bank no. 802377), account no. 56679
Broken Hill, NSW, Australia

Thank you clownfish. Interesting. We can only assume this is what Protagoras was referring to. She is happy to spray her bile far and wide, so I pay little attention. Yeah, yeah, troll, the lepers bell, fleas, fools, blah blah blah blah...

Forgive my stating the obvious, but there's one very “off” aspect in protag's “self-destruct” defamation against Plimer: it implies that the case's creationist “science” and “archaeology” had genuine scientific merit or, at least, that challengers had little if not none.

Then there's the slagging-off sleaze of “eugenics” as if associated with Plimer! This protag is one poisonously dishonest piece of work.

Keep it coming protag: it's good to see just what the AGW Cult yields after so many years' lavish funding by The Greed Merchants.

Btw fungochumley: it seems to me that dickie has morphed into a couple of sequentially separate OLO characters these past several months.