It is not only Greedy people and Global Warming BB , it is also about POWER and control . Metaphysicians have aided and abetted in this newer Witch doctorate ever seeing the light of day .

The younger generations are only fed on Propaganda and language manipulation BB – it is a hope , if only elder members of society who have already lived through the agony of , and the trials and tribulations of Power hungry idiots who plunge civilizations into a catastrophic ruins in the past ;-

You know what has happened in the past , and lived through it and survived – and now relive the same toxic Virus mutate into a more pungent and potent pathogen , threatening the very existence and the Harmonic composition of civilization;

To be sure , when the event occurs , how many people do you think will survive this onslaught BB ; My guess is not many – They do not know how to survive – and do not care to know how to survive.
What more can anyone do?

The Server is down temporarily for that link above ; A bulldozer ran into the cable. H

bushbred: Adam Smith was just another imperialist scumbag who worked for the British East India Company. Try telling the colonized sub-continent and Opium War-smashed China about his mystical musings on "balance between need and greed"!

Indeed, dishonestly named "free-trade" imperialism has the greatest vested interest in the AGW/CC scam. The IPCC is headed by ex-World Bank boss Nic Stern, mining magnate Garnault has form with the same usurers, while hedge fund owner Al Gore has exactly the same greed for "money for nothing" at the expense of all people who work for a living - laborer and industrialist alike!

These filthy, parasitic usurers want another bubble. But this time they want a bubble that is easier to manipulate with their fake science and its scare-'em-senseless eschatology. It's so protected from genuine debate, and its proponents so intellectually vacuous, that we now see so many more people infuriated and bored sick by these dodgy pontifications telling us that "black is white".

Bushbred: this is not about land clearance, or the Exxon-Valdez oil spill, or the endangered habitat of some rare bandicoot. You've been scammed into believing that any and all environmental concerns are somehow further support for a massively fraudulent pose at "science".

Part of the problem is the "what to do about climate change?" has been hijacked by the "we must put a price on carbon/punish polluters" mindset behind RTS and carbon tax proposals. However, when I have looked with an open mind at what might be done about specific sources of emissions "putting a price on carbon” hasn’t come up as the best solution. For example, compare the following two options for driving investment in clean electrify:

OPTION A (PUT A PRICE ON CARBON): Use carbon permits to taxes to drive the price of dirty electricity up to the point where investment in clean electricity can be justified. PRICE OUTCOME: The average price of electricity has to jump above the price required to justify investment in clean electricity before any investment takes place.

OPTION B: Leave the price of dirty electricity unchanged and drive investment in clean electricity by negotiating price and sales guarantees for clean electricity during contract negotiations. PRICE OUTCOME: The average price of electricity only ramps up slowly as the percentage of clean electricity increases. At no stage will it need to be higher than the price required for option A to work.

It looks like a no brainer to me. I have found that the best method of driving down emissions varies from emission source to emission source depending on the specific issues associated with this source. For more details look at:

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/climate_ctte/submissions/sub572.pdf

Bushbred

So good to read your words of wisdom again and you may know that only last month, a Senate climate change enquiry was informed that Australia is clearing native vegetation at a rate that amounts to a $2.4 billion annual loss of stored carbon.

"We are still logging native vegetation at a rate of something like 60 million tonnes of carbon a year," CSIRO climate scientist Michael Raupach told the inquiry but of course, in response to these alarming facts, we on OLO, must endure an uncontrolled rampant conflict of interest from those who believe they are the masters of the universe. One becomes accustomed to the sleaze perpetrated by these dark satanic forces whose curricula, based on ignorance and greed, lacks any coherence and is so hilariously flawed:

“When will you AGW’ers realize that agnostics would rather give ourselves a colonoscopy in the woods with a sharp stick than listen to your quasi-religious, pixies, fairies and aliens nonsense?” (Spindoc)

But what can one expect from an “agnostic”...a believer….....whoops an “agnostic” when only last month this agnostic?/believer? spruiked on OLO:

"I’m off the fence, AGW exists. Fellow OLO’ers, you have a convert, please be gentle with me."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2657#59852

In addition to this profound outburst, he also advised OLO last month that:

“there has never been a safety incident with a Gen. II, III or IV reactor but this remains a major issue for the public”

Very gently (and far more politely than the vitriol Spindoc emits) we advised that as yet there is not a Generator IV nuclear reactor operating on the planet – the precise reason why there has never been a “safety” incident. Hilarious!

Perhaps Spindoc should refrain from his DIY “colonoscopies in the woods with a sharp stick” and try chewing off his tongue instead for this swill reinforces the emerging fact that for skeptics, truth is irrelevant.

Mil Observer, could say that Adam Smith was part of the imperialist colonial system, but at least he admitted that the Free-Market though sounding free needed a government with very watchful eyes and minds.

In his scottish canniness he also slyly made known that though his market was said to be free he was one who recommended that the banks or moneylenders would be better owned or controlled by government.

But I guess as with most philosophers he was never able to gain complete control.

So much like Obama with fresh ideas, but always others close like the Clintons - so ready to blarney with the other side may have Obama conned by his own ruling partners.

As most historians know, history is loaded with tales like this.

Cheers, BB, WA.

No, I never said or implied that about "the free market" at all.

It's an oligopoly, not "free trade". You've been had, and your presumption just further proves the fact. Government-fed usury, via bailouts, only confirms how craven and submissive the current, purported "democratic" system is in the usurers' bordello.

A derivatives bill of USD 1.5 QUADRILLION and counting. All useless, usurious cr@p, designed to make parasites supreme, governments servile, and workers oppressed. ETS/CRTS is their only way of tying such degenerate garbage into one neat imperialist package. A Dark Age "economy" producing little more than fascist austerity, depopulation and social and civilizational breakdown.

But keep dropping Smith's name; it's a good way of sucking up to neolibs and other imperialists everywhere.