Wow...the sheer audacity of claiming the debate has shifted to what to do as opposed to whether it is happening is breath-taking even as less and less people think the anthropogenic global warming is rubbish.

Our educational elite are obviously part of the ironically named reality based community.

That should be 'less and less people think anthropogenic global warming is a problem'

Interesting, the debate is over .. I think not, nice try at the old misdirection and attempted censorship though.

I agree with adapting to the climate changing, we always have, but to damage our future to prop up academic and other egos is not the way, nor I suspect the way many will support.

We don't need to spend a cent on "carbon pollution", any funds available should go to making this a better place to live, water for those who don't have it and electricity and a better lifestyle for everyone.

Good luck with that attempt to suppress any questioning of the "consensus", though I think you'll find folks just don't trust a scientific community that attacks any and everyone who disagrees or questions their position.

Clearly you've made a stand, occupationally, and now could be embarrassed if the whole warming thing turns out to be wrong, this is as bad as scientists who came out and said smoking was OK, if you have a vested interest, as you clearly do, best to stay out of the debate or be seen to be biased and trying to close it down, as usual.

"Gaia said it, I believe it, and that settles it".

If we are going to survive we need to do something about Sea Water Desalination on a huge scale . There is only 4 percent in the Hume Dam .....alarm bells should be ringing .

Forget about Gore and Company he's been Rabbiting on for ten years , Billy Graham would be a better BS Artist than Gore , perhaps you could give him a go.

We , all of us need to get practical fast , Hype will not deliver .

If we still had the Howard Savings we could drought proof our Country with Desalination .
But now all we can do is Lament and Borrow to Stimulus !

Stimulus , I thought that was what man taking an erotic shortcut

did ?

QUOTE<<..existing power arrangements have prevailed>>egsactly[they plan a new tax-regime to keep the same old/new-world'order'..ordering us to pay their new_tax

<<..as the scientific/evidence emerges,the models improve>>AN ADMITANCE THAT THE MODELS WERE FLAWED,..this admitance reveals they are refining their models..[not proving the fact..[or having any real debate..READ THE OTHER THREAD

<<the overall pressure to do something will increase>>>lol..just who OWNS the media..[yes media has sold us out in the past..[and IS SELLING US OUR NEW GLOBAL/CARBON-TAX NOW....yes the presure from the propaganda vehicles of the elite WILL INCREASE...lol

<<Second,as various interests begin to seriously consider possible remedies>>>..see their BIGGEST cure..is a cure to having govt/taxPAYER bailout[to cover]their loss of wealth[this new GLOBAL tax is their remedy,]

<<the realisation of what can actually be achieved will grow.>>so too will the realisation of WHAT THEY DID..[and that they plan to do..[AND STILL NO REAL DEBATE

<<as new leaders appear who do not[APPEAR}tp carry the baggage of past..allegiances..they..will promote further remedial policies...>>the same old elites nominating the new faces of the same old 2 party elite's..electing who we can chose..to bring in the new tax with ever more believability

<<Fourth,as resources shift into remediation/new vested interests will arise.>>..ie..the same old industrialised banking/financing cartels..[and derivitives-speculators..trading the new carbon-tax bubble,

the new stealth..tax..payable by the serfs..while the big guys get their egsemptions..[and free/carbon-credits..to sell to the same comodity/securities traitors..[for ever more gross bonus,as they marketise the carbon credit into ever greater cost,..that must be paid by the wage slacves[and feel good about it]..based on media lies]

<<This is not to say that there will suddenly be complete concord,but the debate will increasingly shift in a more positive direction.>>ever more into the same old industrialised direction[pouring ever increasing carbon credit..straight into the elites cofferes/pockets]media concorded lies

<<The current power structures will attempt to maintain control over the change process,>>indeed have planned[their new tax]scince the end of ww2

<<but they have been seriously weakened by the global economic crisis.>>yeah right//[they planned the collapse,,only the neo middle class lost their new wealth..[the old wealth simply brought it on..to bring on their next tax payer based subsidy/payday