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As climate warms, species may need to migrate or perish : Comments

By Carl Zimmer, published 6/5/2009

Global warming is pushing some species to the brink of extinction: the only way to save some species may be to move them.

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"With global warming pushing some animals and plants to the brink of extinction"

Prove it.

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The entire global warming fret-fest, and this biological sub-set of it, is nothing but neo-religious drivel. While carbon emissions have increased, the globe's climate has not warmed since 1998. That's why they changed the name of the cult to 'climate change', remember? The idea that a) it's happening, and b) all human effects are probably bad, is an unfalisfiable belief, like other religious belief systems. Both extra hot or extra cold, extra wet or extra dry conditions, all are taken as evidence of 'climate change', as if there ever was, or ever could be, a world in which the climate didn't change.

Underlying the biology are value judgements that amount to ethical idiocy: the idea that man-caused change is bad, and that extinction in general is bad. For example, over 99.9 percent of species that ever lived are extinct. Extinction is normal. On the credit side of life, new species are evolving all the time. Should we stop that too? Is that "havoc" too? Should we try to micro-manage each species, and therefore each individual? These are the fantasies of those who have no responsibility for the values they assert.

What its advocates coyly omit to mention is who is to pay for 'moving species'? Is it to be voluntary? Or is payment to be under compulsion?
Posted by Jefferson, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 9:35:18 AM
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i cant even read the spiel bro, you lost me just by the heading, asa the climate warms[mate global WARMING was yesterday, today its CLIMATE CHANGE...remember?

how come you fools want it both ways?

its global climate change..[get it?]

meaning we dont have to keep changing the panic..as it warms OR COOLS..get it right bro,

is it really warming now?[or you just accepting the gullable to spin past the warning /cooling slip-up...its climate change..[meaning as it cools we move them back..[right?]

by the way..no doudt you quoted how a few degrees CHANGE..means death..[did i assume correctly?,

BUT BRO TELL ME WHAT CLIMATIC VAIRIATION BETWEEN NIGHT AND DAY?[SUMMER/WINTER?]..

YOUR INSANE RAVINGS are designed to create [or sustain] the climate CHANGE hysteria..[and bring in the new TAX for your masters boys club..based on your puff piece
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 10:19:10 AM
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Totally agree with Jefferson, soundly put.

What a ridiculous notion that mankind is now responsible for evolution, mind you I can see the attraction to this idea - lot's of good funding available to research this all over the world.

Add this to the long list of crimes by the human population who are also being blamed for the climate changing. /sarc.

Clearly there is no "real" emergency in Australia, the government have just delayed any action about AGW.

I do expect the usual condemnation of any debate on OLO now, of anything that some of the readers don't like and insist is censored i.e. anything that questions the "non-scientific consensus" of AGW belief.
Posted by rpg, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 10:38:09 AM
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Agreement - the article is a load of drivel. Temperatures reached a peak around 1998-2000 and have been generally declining, as shown by all the centres that track temperature changes. No-one is disagreeing - except for those who have not seen the figures (check the Hadley site). And it is now well established - thanks to scholars that track change in agriculture areas - that the medieval warming period was much warmer than present conditions.. to talk of species extinction is present circumstances is absurd.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 11:49:31 AM
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They've let you live, Mr Zimmer, look in the bright side and eat drink and be merry........
Posted by Ginx, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 1:26:28 PM
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The combination of climate change and government policy may be driving a tree species to near extinction. That species is the world's tallest flowering plant Eucalyptus regnans that grows up to 100 metres tall. Yesterday a much visited stand of these trees next to a popular tourist drive was cut down under police supervision
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/05/2561375.htm?site=hobart

The loggers claim they will regrow in 400 years time but I think not. I believe the species thrived as the last cold period 10,000 years ago receded. They need damp cool leaf litter and infrequent fire. The combination of deliberate burning, lack of shade and drying will make it difficult. The drying comes from both reduced local transpiration and global climate change. The trouble is the next southern landmass is Antarctica so the species has nowhere to go. They are being mercilessly chopped down and forced into a smaller less amenable habitat. Perhaps we could grow them in 100 metre tall cool rooms.
Posted by Taswegian, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 2:19:50 PM
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