So who is actually promoting "forced sterilisation"?

It seems to be mainly in the minds of well known OLO conspiracy
theorists MO and UOG.

Meantime both posters have the choice to benefit from modern
family planning, as part of their lives.

Neither poster has the empathy or testicles to admit that third
world people should have the same rights as they take for granted.

Both posters would be screaming from the rooftops if the Govt
denied them and their families these rights.

Both posters seem to know better then African women, what is best
for African women. Perhaps they should let third world women
decide these things, not try to force their own crazy agendas
on the rest of us.

i suggest you educate yourself on the topic gabby
forced sterilisation
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&ei=Zc8HSun_CYHi7APbuMGnAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=family+planning+is+forced+sterilization&spell=1

involentary sterilisation
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&q=involuntary+sterilization&revid=564450877&ei=3s8HSrX-J4TG6APeiemoAw&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=4

population eugenics
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=population+eugenics&btnG=Search

maybe reading about preaching sterilisation
http://books.google.com/books?id=DrKgIIxCHVIC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=sterilization+catholic+church&source=bl&ots=Ch-lQkt6OI&sig=GjTO-spleJ25FXPLGoFwWhxdcZo&hl=en&ei=mNAHSsecGobk7APKzqClAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

even going so far as the catholics taking about it
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&q=sterilization+catholic+church&revid=564450877&ei=3s8HSrX-J4TG6APeiemoAw&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=2

how about eugenics
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&q=eugenics+forced+sterilization&revid=564450877&ei=3s8HSrX-J4TG6APeiemoAw&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=3

ngo's forced sterilisation is revalotory
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=ngo%27s+forced+sterilization&btnG=Search

so is indiginous sterilisation
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=indigenouse++forced+sterilization&btnG=Search

or try the eugenics adgenda
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=eugenics+adgenda&btnG=Search

or think to ask eugenics WHY?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=eugenics+why%3F&btnG=Search

mate if your not getting it..[your not trying to find out the facts of the matter]

maybe its time to name names
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=eugenics+name+names&btnG=Search

No thinning of vegetation, but plenty of support for the thinning of our families human population!! That's life, Now we know who has their priorities right, and which prescribed species will survive when this human trash has gone and the vegetation species continue to roam as the hardiest dominant inhabitant. I'll bet, that vegetation is hardier than these misguided lost souled human thinning experts. But whats new, when the greens can hug, talk and form relationships with trees and their cousin types in conjunction with politicians from planet possible.

Well, some people like to interpret an Ayn Randian view for the term "forced" i.e., holding people at gunpoint. Such snake-oilers try the same superficial and limited distortion for the term "fascist" too; studies since Gramsci confirm in detail the much subtler enticement, persuasion, coercion and compulsion that characterize fascist behavior.

NSSM 200 effectively "forced" much sterilization in the developing world, as in East Timor, for example (another Kissinger-backed program for friendly free-trade swindler Soeharto). These are simple historical facts, uncontroversial and widely sourced from explicit public records and studies. Probably no YouTube on it yet...

But there was rarely any explicit and direct "forcing" by individuals against other individuals; it was really through institutional and systemic conditions of extortion and coercion. That's how free-trade debt regimes and empires usually operate, since Roman times: the conditions of loans, their top-ups, and interest terms, etc., all have strings attached in details of strategic policy.

I state all this for the record on this forum only, and not as some engagement with any of the "feedback fruitloops", who will certainly keep up their desperate efforts at "conspiracy" smear, etc.

mil-observer,Ask the greens what a soul is and their likely response would be a type of soup.

UOG

"<<whereas a per capita debt perhaps hundreds of times greater in Australia is a totally different fish.>>baulderdash..[where the 100 times greater debt?]..reveal the 50 dollar compared..debt/equity ratio..to validate your absurdities"

The 2007 figure is actually over 1000 times when comparing per capita debt between Ethiopia and Australia. Ireland's per capita debt (2007) is over 10,000 times that of Ethiopia's.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_deb_ext_percap-economy-debt-external-per-capita

Hey, but all that African population increase might not be all bad. MO claims:

"Next is the added bonus of competition. The many dynamic people in the developing world already know this, but it should be stressed here that humanity's evolutionary climb continues to confound the dull and hopeless, overtaking such people as if ridding humanity of the dead weight they represent, gradually improving the gene pool, leaving many people like neo-Malthusians alone with their friends the baboons and bonobo chimps. And Hitler's beloved dog "Blondi"."

Wow, so all that mass of humanity is cooking up an uber kind as per Nazi philosophy. But hang on, according to Cheryl all those arguing the benefits of a stable population are closet Nazis. So surely I should agree with MO? Perhaps if MO could provide evidence that overcrowding is a driver of human advancement I might be more enthusiastic.

All I have argued for in this thread is for all women to have access to contraception. Perhaps I should expand that to giving access to contraception to all men as well. How does this make me a Nazi?