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4. My point about mil-ob's unlimited faith that techno-fixes will provide all the other sources of fresh water needed by a still larger Indian population once the aquifers beneath the Deccan, upon which much of India's agriculture depends, run dry.

5. Two direct questions that I put to mil-ob;

6. etc., etc.

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Cheryl and mil-ob,

Don't you think it is rather rude to talk of other people in their presence without acknowledging them?

If you are truly conducting a private conversation, and not simply pretending to do so as a ploy to allow you to make unfounded assertions, then why not conduct your conversation off-line?

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Mil-ob wrote, "On a question about water infrastructure, Victorian Premier Brumby stated not so long ago that Melbourne had just 'too many people'".

Where did John Brumby say that, mil-ob?

What I thought he said was:

"I think we are probably at the limits of growth." (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24086806-661,00.html)

... and:

"We don't want to push the accelerator even harder and add even more to that rate of growth," he said. "We are not saying halt immigration or stop immigration … but I think current levels are about right and steady as she goes is the right policy."(http://www.theage.com.au/national/brumby-blaming-migrants-20080801-3olu.html?page=-1)

Previously he was pushing population growth as hard and trampling on the rights of Victorian communities to get his way.

For a few brief hours, the calamity that this had brought upon Victorians appeared to have dawned upon him and he momentarily spoke a small amount of sense.

But the pro-growth Victorian media and Opposition jumped on him for having done so, and he has since reverted to his anti-democratic pushing of breakneck population growth to suit his developer and other corporate benefactors (See http://candobetter.org/taxonomy/term/481)

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In regard to Cheryl and mil-ob's attempt to depict the situation being one in which a small unrepresentative elite are seeking to impose population stability on the rest of the country, Bob Hawke boasted in 1993 that his government had imposed 'elite as opposed to popular views on immigration' ("Overloading Australia"(2008) pp104-105, Mark O'Connor and William Lines.)

*Let me say that again. They are advocating sterlisation programs for third world women. Their reproductive rights will be taken from them and delivered in to the hands of the state.*

So there we have it Cheryl. Because some woman in SA is seemingly
advocating that third world women should lose their reproductive
rights, you refuse to ackowledge my point that third world women
should have reproductive rights as you have.

I point out to you dear, that many lost them a long time ago,
hijacked by the Catholic Church etc, as we can see in Rwanda.

Now the Catholic Church might well want more little Catholics
to increase its numbers, but if they denied you your reproductive
rights of choice, you would be screaming from the rooftops.

Now I'm not asking you to think deeply, for clearly you are busy
with your contraceptive device. I'm not even asking you to think
about a world without other species. But at least show that you
are not a hypocrite and concede my point.

If it is genocide to give women in developing countries control of their fertility, then isn't it also genocide to give women the same right in Australia? Perhaps it is a bit like mo's debt argument, where a $50 per capita debt in Ethopia represents a conspiracy of similar breadth to the elders of zion, whereas a per capita debt perhaps hundreds of times greater in Australia is a totally different fish. To believe such things must surely be akin to accepting a religious dogma.

Of course I am against conducting a campaign of genocide in the undeveloped world, but I am in favour of giving women rights which they enjoy in the developed world. What they do with those rights is their own business.

*To believe such things must surely be akin to accepting a religious dogma.*

Fester, I think you will find that MO largely parrots the beliefs
of his favourite guru, Lyndon LaRouche. Yup, they are
very much like a religious cult.

i see the destractions are still festering[so ignoring the gabby i will respond to the quote from fester<<..If it is genocide to give women in developing countries control of their fertility,then isn't it also genocide to give women the same right in Australia?>>>..no its not[by and large it comes down to the conspiricy a-thiests creating miss-info

to claim educated modern/australian woman is in any way equivelent to impoverished uneducated/peasents getting mass-sterilised in ethiopia[by ngo's feigning compassion is absurd],..its genocide by racists seeking to take over the mineral-wealth of those they regard as infiriour darkies..[at kindest]

<<Perhaps it is a bit like mo's debt argument,where a $50 per capita debt in Ethopia represents a conspiracy of similar breadth to the elders of zion,>>oh dear a clever likage..[that demands the proof the elders of zion is a conspiricy[..for egsample the disclosed plan[who would bother to write a plan..that well concieved..for an enemey?

we see it being fullfilled as we speak..[at worst if it isnt written by zionista conspiricy,it is prophetic..[to anyone knowing the manipulations inherant is usa politics and global/banking and the law and media..,in investement and news gathering..[or policing and warfare,..he plan clearly is being followed by some natzi/zionists[however much those supporting greater israel..may seek to decry it as conspiricy]

<<whereas a per capita debt perhaps hundreds of times greater in Australia is a totally different fish.>>baulderdash..[where the 100 times greater debt?]..reveal the 50 dollar compared..debt/equity ratio..to validate your absurdities

<<To believe such things must surely be akin to accepting a religious dogma.>>..or maybe the postulating it as an absurdity is serving some special intrest?..a..[potentially genocidal,surely racist,and surly colluded/planed and exicuted,by an intrenched and influential elite..over yet another indigenant race

<<What they do with those rights is their own business.>>..words are cheap[your other words reveal volumes]..

before sterilising'them'..educate and feed and house'them'..[then make sure those stealing their assets stop their thievery]..and the murder/rape/pillage of war

[you might begin with those who built up this 50 dollar debt over their heads..[which peasent qualified for the debt?

[they didnt get the cash..[why they get the debt?]

Cheryl:

Kanck's mob gets official support from the likes of "Australian of the Year" Tim Flannery (It's specified on SPA's site). Flannery, in turn, has had a dream run from ongoing support - and obviously guidance - via such oligarch-corporate outfits as The Wentworth Group. The mainstream potential from such quackery is obvious. Expect to see it touted on ABC TV's apparatchik-group carbon emission program "Q & A".

Remember Flannery's the guy who mooted a plan to pump sulphur into the atmosphere "in order to stop Global Warming", etc. Crackpot? Nah, Oz of the Year!

If its "forced sterilization" they want, then Kissinger's NSSM 200 from 1974 offers the original effort in that direction. Under NSSM 200, developing countries were compelled to apply not only dodgy contraception (like the notoriously unsafe Dalcon Shield IUD), but also sterilization, and via the usual monetarist big sticks of loan conditions at the national level, with meagre welfare handouts down at the street level.

The mainstream potential for Malthusian templates is clear from its institutional and strategic precedents and media publicity.