MO, you do a great job at shooting down your own strawman arguments.
Clearly you are having fun with yourself!

If you believe that people using family planning is so called
"genocide", that is what you believe. Tell that to 99% of thinking
Australians and they will roll about laughing, for family planning
is indeed considered as a right here and fair enough.

But cases like yourself, who have a guru, are a bit like the Jehohavas
Witnesses, fringe dweller true believers who don't let logic or
reason interfere with their beliefs. Fair enough, our society is
tolerant enough to leave space for eccentrics.

Bob Geldorf learnt one thing, after his campaigns to feed the poor
in Africa. Twenty years later, there were twice as many to feed,
as those boatloads of food had solved nothing, just created even
more starving babies.

If you think that forcing women to have ever more children that they
don't want, if you think ever more starving babies is good for
Africa, then so be it. I actually have some empathy for the people
there and wish they had a choice, as I have, in order for them
to turn their lives and continent around.

Actually I thought mil-ob's last contribution was witty, uplifting and tasteful, especially the part about how he prepares crustaceans for eating.

I think, from now on, we should all seek to emulate mil-ob's fine example by ignoring each other's arguments (that is if, on our part, we can find any to ignore) and instead, calling each other names.

Actually, we ought to appreciate mil-ob's and Cheryl's style of argument: the personal abuse and insults, and the failure to seriously address issues raised by others, such as Africans who actually want access to contraceptives, environmental limits, and lack of resources to raise 6.7 billion, let alone 9 billion or 12 billion, people to First World standards, even with the resources all divided equally, etc. They are really hurting their own cause. Once a person starts namecalling, he or she has already lost the argument. Rhian understands this and probably wishes that mil-ob and Cheryl agreed with us and not him.

Daggett,

I appreciate your reference on the heights. It agrees with my links on real incomes over this period. I doubt how much weight we can put on small differences in life expectancy for periods when infectious diseases were the biggest killers of rich and poor alike. Chance and genetic susceptibility might have been the most important factors. Similarly, GDP per capita says nothing about distribution. See

http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/03/09/the-best-inequality-graph/

Nope, I just won the argument, in detial, point-for-point with some clever if differently motivated support from others opposed to the neo-Malthusian depopulation lies.

"Fascist" is simply the practical conclusive assessment for the twisted and dishonest neo-Malthusians. That way, we know clearly what further political agendas will accompany their claims now that debt-austerity and mega-bailout redesign the strategic map of globalizing imperialism.

And then, if people were supposed to have lost when resorting to labels, then most of these clowns lost against me shortly after my first post in this thread.

*Nope, I just won the argument, in detial, point-for-point*

Hehe MO, in your little mind perhaps, nowhere else.

Just because you claim something, does not make it so. Like
I pointed out, go and tell your average person that because they
use family planning methods, they are committing genocide.
Careful that they don't lock you up lol.

If you read the link that I provided, the LaRouche movement
calls nearly everyone who disagrees with them, fascists. Perhaps
you guys need to buy a dictionary one of these days.

Sorry fella, but you are fighting a losing cause, no wonder
your party is largely ignored at the elections.

Fact is most people do care about the environment, don't want to
trash the planet for ever more humans and realise that other
species should have a bit of space too. Nope the WWF is not
an evil organisation lol.

But keep kidding yourself in your own mind, imagine as much as
you want.

Malthus' latter-day troglodytes are getting another hammering at a related forum. See:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8911&page=0

This broader "debate" on the environment really puts them into their wider perspective now. No liberalist "free choice for contraception" hidey-hole there!