Fractelle dear, sweety pie, honeybunch,

Yup, anyone could be raped, men too. Men have a slight advanage
however, they are not left holding any babies after the rapes.

Rape is far more common where people can get away with it, because
of a lack of law and order enforcement. Africa is just such a
place.

Yes I mention contraception and family planning services. I
don't spell out the education part of those services, for to
me that is common knowledge. The family planning clinics
in Africa that were shut down by el Presidente Bush, when
he decided that abstinence education was a better option,
focussed on a number of things, they did not simply throw
packets of condoms or pills into the air.

But ok, it seems that you don't know and need it spelled out
for you, fair enough. Education is part of the role of
family planning clinics in the third world, but they need
funding by the UN, by Govts and by kind private philanthropists
such as Warren Buffett and others.

Our own Govts have yet to show any kind of empathy towards
the plight of these women, or their problems with just
obtaining the basics required for family planning. So they
keep popping em out, if they want to or not. All very
sad really.

Mr Masters. Can you tell me were you got your information from.

EVO

Oh! Watch how everything moves.

Thats the key. Smile.

EVO2

EVO2, an earlier post by PartTime provided this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_fertility_rate which is where I got my numbers from for the fertility rate decline from 2000 to 2008. Is this the information you were asking me about?

Yabby

The reason your credibility is in doubt, if that you frequently respond to female posters in a condescending manner eg 'African Cheryl' as if we are ignorant. You claim to be concerned about female rights but you do not treat us as equals with your derogatory style - in many posts you refer to female contributors to OLO as "bored housewives".

You know nothing about how well travelled or educated any of the contributors to OLO are. If you mentioned empowerment and education of women in third world countries as often as you disparage the Catholic church (which, I agree is in need of criticism) you would appear to have a little more credibility.

You don't treat female posters to OLO with any respect, so don't whinge when we challenge you. As it happens I don't agree with Cheryl at all and I do agree with you on the topic of contraception but I object to being treated in a gratuitous manner by you or anyone else for that matter.

In conclusion, I believe you are more concerned with overpopulation than you are with the well-being and emancipation of third world women.

*You don't treat female posters to OLO with any respect,*

Fractelle dear, respect is earned, not given on the basis of
owning certain genitals. I am the first to congratulate posters,
if I think that their post was particularly good. As it happens,
many of those have been females. What your last post showed
is nothing more then the chips on your shoulder which you seem
to carry.

I judge people by their posts and as the evidence showed, Cheryl
clearly did not understand the real circumstances of African
women. Trying to get her to empathise with the real conditions
and plight of women in the third world, was a valid point to make.

If you don't like my style of posting, well I can't help that.
I don't post to please the sensitive petals of this world.
I make points of reason, you are free to dispute my points,
as is anyone else.

*The reason your credibility is in doubt*

Well it might be to you dear, but it certainly is not to me.
I stand and fall by the substance of my arugments, not by some
touchy, feely intuition, which you seem to rely on.

You are of course free to challenge me, but don't be amazed
if I respond accordingly.

We are not in the old ducks knitting club here, but a forum
where free and open debate is encouraged and so it should be.