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The children's voices : Comments

By Barbara Biggs, published 24/2/2009

How many more children need to die before the Federal Government acts to protect kids?

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"I suppose it would offend your masculine ego if I really wanted to sleep with my mother."

Actually you misunderstand your condition and I must now upgrade my diagnosis to one of Massively Raging Penis Envy (MRPE). In these cases the child actually develops her first sexual impulses towards her mother. At this point she realizes that she is not physically equipped to have a heterosexual relationship with her mother. Hence the desire to have a penis, and the power that it represents. She sees the solution as obtaining her father’s penis and develops sexual desire for him.

I'm afraid that MRPE does not respond well to therapy as its sufferers experience such high levels of cognitive dissonance in trying to adopt or understand a broader world view that very little progress is ever made. The only solution I can see for you is a surgical sex change that actually gives you that which you need to feel whole.

Best of Luck,
David
Posted by David29, Sunday, 1 March 2009 5:08:30 PM
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If it please fractelle, I humbly submit the following:

"Enshrine in legislation that parents’ rights to their children must not take precedence over the children's right to be and feel safe."

Yeah, that's really ground breaking of her to include that. With all her concern for children she might have bothered to read, or mention, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, a convention that Australia has been a party to since Jan 16th 1991, which, among many other things, stipulates that spending time with the mother and father is a right of the CHILD. That's correct. It is the child's right to have a maternal and paternal bond, a right which is more important than either parents rights to have access to the child. She may also have read the study I linked to above "Parental Child Abduction is Child Abuse" by Nancy Faulkner, Ph.D (a woman?!), Presented to the United Nations Convention on Child Rights in Special Session, June 9, 1999, on behalf of P.A.R.E.N.T. and victims of parental child abduction. Speaking of intellectual dishonesty, how about arguing for better protections against child abuse while defending an abuser?
Posted by LeftBehindFather, Sunday, 1 March 2009 5:36:21 PM
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I a soooo glad that SJF is really concerned about intellectual honesty.

But it puzzles me? How does she deal with feminist research that is intellectually dishonest?

Or is it that she believes that any said by a woman is truthful and anything said by a man is dishonest.

Problem solved, no need for an intellectual conflict, just disregard any by men as not being valid.

She still has not answered previous questions, like how do we measure 'equality' so that we know when we have achieved it. I could guarantee that even if there was a equal 50-50 split for CEO's and Pollies, feminist would still say that women were not equal and that they were still oppressed.

I wrote about how feminist research firstly expands the definition of dv or personal violence, but when they argue about violence they always fall back to physical violence.

Intriuging as it may seem, by giving fathers shared parenting, would allow for more mothers to partake in the workforce, yet feminism is opposed to this.

It is almost like feminists do not want to give men anything, but expect men to pay.
Posted by JamesH, Sunday, 1 March 2009 6:50:51 PM
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"But it puzzles me? How does she deal with feminist research that is intellectually dishonest?"

The brief requires the researcher to accept that the original (feminist) proposition is true and to interpret results in such a way as to prove it.

Dishonest? Not if you are to uphold the faith. Anyway there is a good living in it and academics knew who was signing the cheque well before consultants arrived on the scene.
Posted by Cornflower, Sunday, 1 March 2009 9:22:48 PM
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Romany

Just a suggestion... Have you used the link provided in the article itself? It’s down at the end, above the ‘Discuss in our forums’ box.

David29

'Best of Luck,David'

Which of your diagnoses do you wish me luck with?

Wanting to sleep with my father? Wanting to sleep with my mother? Needing a complete sex change? Treating with my raging penis envy? Or treating my massively raging penis envy?

I can't keep up... but I AM enjoying myself.

JamesH,

'Intriuging as it may seem, by giving fathers shared parenting, would allow for more mothers to partake in the workforce, yet feminism is opposed to this.'

Your stunning ignorance of feminism is on display … yet again. For at least 40 years, feminists have been greatly in favour of shared parenting in all its forms - so that they CAN participate more in the workforce and not be so financially or emotionally dependent on self-absorbed husbands and hostile ex's. I would suggest you read more, but I’m starting to doubt if you can read at all.
Posted by SJF, Monday, 2 March 2009 10:04:18 AM
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JamesH, Cornflower, Antiseptic, LeftBehindFather (and Hooleybeck)

There is no point addressing all the humbug distortions you have made of my posts. Even if I DID have the time and the inclination, you would just come up with more pot-and-kettle distortions of your original distortions.

Even if I am addressing you specifically or something you wrote, much of what I write on OLO gender threads is not intended for people like yourselves, who enjoy creating your own fallacies in order to 'debunk' them.

I write more for others here who are interested in looking beyond the traditional paradigms on gender/family behaviour to question the assumptions we make about why things are - in this case ... why so many children end up abused by the very people who are supposed to love and protect them and why the system is powerless to help them.

Some here reject the ‘gender war’ as irrelevant to this topic. I disagree, but not in the way posters like you present it (that Family Law is there mainly to protect the rights of vindictive women … groan). I believe that the socio-political gender-power relationship is at the heart of both the problem of child abuse and the legal system that lets children down.

Similar to women, children occupy a lower, largely disempowered position in a male-centric social hierarchy. Until there is a significant shift in this paradigm, changes to either the rights or legal status of children will be at best ineffectual and at worst destructive.

It took the women’s movement to change the gender paradigms that led to long-overdue rape law reforms in the 70s and 80s. It’s going to take a similar shift to bring about the reforms needed to improve the rights of children and implement a legal system adequate to protect them.

I would write much more about this, but the thread has become too dysfunctional. There is a limit to what someone can say when they are being routinely shouted at.

I'll only further address any one of you if you contribute something helpful.
Posted by SJF, Monday, 2 March 2009 10:20:18 AM
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