Phanto (and others)

‘If you are going to write about this topic it would be much more productive to eliminate the possibility of inflaming the gender war by writing in such a way that was inclusive and by giving examples from across both genders.’

The author is not stupid – although I can’t say the same for the belligerent kneejerk reactions of the male gender warriors here. Don’t you realize that you fell straight into your own trap?

After more than 20 years of living through a vindictive backlash against the threat of a movement of women advocating for women, any woman involved in the highly charged field of gender politics – including, and especially child access – knows the score.

And so does Barbara Biggs.

One of the main rhetorical weapons used by the so-called men’s rights movement in its backlash politics is to artificially ‘even-hand’ the gender landscape by creating a fictitious social environment in which women are supposed to be equal perpetrators in the crimes and destructive behaviours overwhelmingly committed by men (against other men, against women and against children).

I’m glad to see that women advocates are finally waking up to this manipulative intellectual dishonesty, and refusing to kowtow to this fake even-handedness – especially when their past efforts to 'be fair to both genders' just get them either more abuse or dilute the issues to such an extent as to render them ineffectual

Fractelle, mog, Romany, SUNITA

Just a reminder … In all the kerfuffle, it was easy to overlook the link to Barbara’s petition calling for an overhaul of the FCA in its dealings with children:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/family-court-of-australia-amendments.html

I’ve signed it.

LeftBehindFather

Too many men such as yourself would like to believe that the number one reason why a woman would commit herself to a life as a criminal on the run is simply to spite the father of the child she is kidnapping.

The fantasy that women are willing to ruin their lives to spite men is more than just misogynist paranoia – it’s typical of the male-centric mindset that many men develop in regard to women as a result of patriarchal conditioning. After all, it’s very flattering to think that someone hates you so much that they are prepared to ruin their lives just to spite you.

It’s a male mindset that I see over and over again on these OLO gender threads – that women only exist in relation to men. The pathetic thing is that these men don’t see the egomaniacal aspect of it themselves – or at least, those men who have bought into the MRM’s ‘poor menz’ lie.

David29

My comments to Leftbehindfather also directly relate to your self-revealing attempts to psychobabble me. The premise that a woman would criticize men on a forum such as this because she really wants to sleep with her father is symptomatic of the patriarchal assumption that women’s lives and psyches are (or should be) ruled by men.

I suppose it would offend your masculine ego if I really wanted to sleep with my mother.

SJF,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't displace your sexist notions on me. At what point did I say she ran to spite the father? You assume I care what she wants at all. It's not about HER. This is about the CHILD. I couldn't care less what her motivations are ss long as the're not to protect the child they are irrelevant. Parental abduction is child abuse. If it wasn't done to avoid more serious abuse it's unjustified. I never posited ANY motivation for the mother doing it. None whatsoever. You are the one who is assuming her motivations are altruistic and that the man want's her back. Stop playing the victim and ASSuming women are never cruel, self-centered or irrational and men are. Get off your soap box and stop trying to pigeon-hole me and all "menz". I was raised by a strong, feminist, SINGLE mother so don't rant to me about patriarchy either. I do and have supported women's rights for many years. It is clear to me that without knowing anything about me, or my family, you have assumed that my wife fled me as an abusive husband/father to protect our son as well (no other rational computes right?). Not surpirsing since you did the same with respect to the above article. Not even my own wife has made those claims, she instead lied that I was a completely absentee father. Those are lies that are easily disproven, but it is clear to me that she should have just said I beat her and planned to anal rape my 1 year old baby boy when he got bigger since there are clearly idiots who would believe that in the total absence of evidence simply because a women would never make that stuff up or leave behind a good life without a "good" reason. Now I have no doubt that you will write this comment off as you did the rest so you can go just go back to your regularly scheduled program (no doubt on the Lorena Bobbit channel).

SJF:"a fictitious social environment in which women are supposed to be equal perpetrators in the crimes and destructive behaviours overwhelmingly committed by men (against other men, against women and against children)"

It's your claim that is the fiction. Women, especially "single" mothers and the men associated with them are the largest perpetrators of violence against children according to all the reputable studies in the field, while biological fathers are far less likely to harm their own kids. The only ones making the claim that you do are those with a specifically "feminist" agenda. Of course, you already knew that, so it's just more of your "telling lies for feminism" and the power that comes with being able to hold the children of decent fathers to ransom.

SJF:"their past efforts to 'be fair to both genders'"

Try as I might, I can't think of a single "feminist" text that does that. OTOH, there is a massive body of smear-material aimed at denigrating men produced by writers who claim "feminism" as their guiding principle.

SJF:"the number one reason why a woman would commit herself to a life as a criminal on the run is simply to spite the father of the child she is kidnapping."

People of both genders do stupid things under stress. Once having done it, some stupid things are difficult to simply say "I'm sorry" about. If the stupid thing is to kidnap one's child to prevent the other parent having contact (out of spite or some other motive), then one is trapped in a situation in which to be apprehended is to lose the very thing one aimed to gain. IOW, there is a clear secondary motivation that kicks in once the initial impetus to kidnap has been acted on.

As for the Biggs petition, it's a garbled piece of rhetoric designed to boost her "pro-children" credentials and encourage more women to claim abuse or violence in order to bolster their claim in a divorce case. As such, it's not merely dishonest, it's pernicious. Right up your alley, in fact.

SJF

Thanks for the link to the petition which I have subsequently signed.

A particular phrase in the petition's preamble was the following:

"Enshrine in legislation that parents’ rights to their children must not take precedence over the children's right to be and feel safe."

SJF, Fractelle,

I've tried a couple of times to open that link but it just refuses. May indeed be a China thing as the Firewall concerns kiddy-porn...maybe it just reacts to anything about kids?

Any other way of getting to it?