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Human rights and religious exceptionalism : Comments

By Ian Robinson, published 9/2/2009

While laws against racial intolerance are justifiable, laws against disparagement of religion are unacceptable in a free society.

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Don’t flatter yourself mil-observer. The fact that Islam, and other monotheisms, have the awful side effect of magnifying the worst aspects of primitive human tribalism is not the main reason why atheists shun religion.

No, the actual reason is that the Bible and the Koran are so unbelievably unbelievable. Talking angels, pregnant virgins, and the Adam and Eve story - give me a break. Indeed, one of the most stupid propositions in the history of the human race is that the Bible and Koran have their origin in the mind of an omniscient deity.

Consider these two passages concerning the creation of Adam- al-Hijr 15:28-38 and Sad 38:71. Why would an intelligent God relate the same story twice? And them muddle his actual dialogue. Did God forget what he said to Iblis the first time?

The reason that the Koran contains passages which are inaccurately repeated is that the book has been thrown together from a plurality of primitive oral traditions. In other words, bad memory and bad editing plague the Koran.

Now, deep down all intelligent theists know that their respective texts are incoherent and nonsensical. However, because it is often too emotionally difficult to break free they rage against sceptics and scientific rationalists so as to maintain their ‘psycho-spell’.

However, we will not be quiet. Dissenters reserve, and deserve, the right to hammer home the necessary truth that the Bible and Koran are on the exactly the same plain as Homer’s Iliad and other similar ancient books. It is this unfettered intellectual freedom that we crave. Phobias or racial hatred has nothing to do with anything.
Posted by TR, Thursday, 19 February 2009 8:18:14 AM
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You seem convinced that uttering "monotheism" lends a sense of depth to your tirades. It's embarrassing, because you still fail to explain just why "monotheism" is so bad, except by sloganeering about devotees as "violent, intolerant", etc., and sweeping generalizations of (barely) historical association. Try starting your explanation with Akhenaten, Zoroaster or Judaism, otherwise it'll just get more boring to all except other thrilled Islamophobes and those less specifically obsessed seeking their cop-out from religious heritage (like the absurd "secular jews", "lapsed catholics", etc.).

Your continued, obsessive emphasis on Islam confirms rank opportunism amidst the west's "terrorism" charades and associated imperialistic warfare. I suspect your instincts to please ruling elites would have seen you latch onto similarly caricatured anti-Marxism-Leninism cliches during the Cold War.

Your blanket, offensive claims about sacred texts (with emphasis on the Koran), betray the same lap-dog reflex; or do you engage such original fables from a mastery of Aramaic, not classical Arabic? Any serious observer knows linguistic origins are crucial to any proper comprehension of texts' content, nuance and discrepancies, let alone discussion thereof. But no, any hack English translation will do for you, or did you lift a critique from the work of a more qualified fanatic (I know such web sites abound nowadays)? Very pretentious and obviously plain bigoted regardless.

And all that fanaticism apparently tries to conceal your poses' utter political gutlessness: your advertising of "courageous opposition, liberation and dissent" are empty of all meaningful challenge against truly established, oppressive and most influential power. Instead, your ideological fakery actually serves the decadent, fanatically secular, liberalist oligarchs, and their cynically dishonest fundamentalist counterparts and partners, who would compel all the rest of humanity to regard themselves, exclusively, as gods on this earth, and answerable to no higher or greater power, or any "morality" but that based on their own rubbery, subjective excuses for "principles".

My rhetorical suggestion towards your nihilistic suicide is merely to highlight logical results of your anti-religious fanaticism, which opposes religion's life-affirming importance and leveling of people before, inter alia, concepts of morality, and existence beyond birth, death, time and space.
Posted by mil-observer, Thursday, 19 February 2009 1:47:55 PM
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Leveling? Oh, I wish, I wish.

For an atheist, everbody's holier than thou. For a theist, no-one is.
Posted by bennie, Thursday, 19 February 2009 2:28:08 PM
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'My rhetorical suggestion towards your nihilistic suicide is merely to highlight logical results of your anti-religious fanaticism, which opposes religion's life-affirming importance and leveling of people before, inter alia, concepts of morality, and existence beyond birth, death, time and space.'

How ignorant you are mil-observer. You really need to get out more. Or maybe read some non-Islamic propaganda.

The motivation of atheists who embrace humanism is more altruistic and sincere than monotheists because we don't have the fear or hell hanging over heads. Or the sugar soaked bribery of heaven.

Indeed, the use of hell and heaven as a motivating factor assumes that the Muslim has the mind of a 2 year old child. A child that obeys because they might get their bottom smacked, or receive the pavlovian reward of a jam sandwich.
Posted by TR, Friday, 20 February 2009 5:52:27 PM
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"Humanism" - a middle class excuse for a religion, a foil for self-righteous atheism. The very word is absurd, but its practical hypocrisies in brutal socio-economic injustice betray it as one of the most repugnant cop-outs of all "isms".

The association with text-book Renaissance art is another most revealing aspect of "Humanism" as a vague, indoctrinated notion for use as a "branding" tool of class aspiration, with presumptions to scientific achievement too (most of the avowed "humanists" actually believe Newton was a genuine scholar, for example).
Posted by mil-observer, Friday, 20 February 2009 8:02:23 PM
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newton wasn't a "genuine scholar"?
Posted by bushbasher, Sunday, 22 February 2009 10:34:20 AM
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