Why so much hatred of women here? It can't be healthy and certainly seems to diminish the ability of some OLO posters to think clearly. Several of the posters here are clearly using their own unhappy experiences to extrapolate to all relationships with women.

JamesH:"I don't know if NCSM is a group of radical feminists or just a group of self centered narcassitic women."

Aren't those the same things?

Speaking of self-centred narcissists, Spikey, I see you're maintaining your usual high level of vapidity. I suppose that must be considered some sort of achievement.

Antiseptic,

I rest my case!

'women who choose not to work continue to impose an enormous cost burden on the productive members of the community.
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That's a bit much really. I think rearing children is productive work.

Pynchme:"Your menz sites actively encourage men to avoid paying child support. "

"It's a great pity that people who want to live in the idealized 1950s are resorting to steeping themselves in hate speech"

Humpty-dumpty, straw man, phoney juxapostion etc.

And Spikey it is true that there are some women who beleive that separated men should not get involved in another relationship because they feel/believe that his primary responsibility is to the previous (failed) relationship.

This is not extrapolating.

Houellebecq:"I think rearing children is productive work."

It's assuredly necessary work, but I don't think that the productivity of those women who choose it as a career is up to much.

I have two children who spend their time with me and their mother week-about. I still manage to run my own business, more-or-less successfully and I've never asked for anyone to pay my way. For 5 years, however, their mother tried every possible legal maneuvre to prevent me having more than 2 days a fortnight, thereby maximising her "entitlement" to Government handouts and child support. Whilst she was doing that, the children spent 2-3 days a week in child care facilities, so she could go back to uni for her third undergraduate degree (and also get the additional Government handout payable for undertaking "higher education"), having never used her previous two.

The entire time, the CSA was harassing me on the grounds that I had a higher "capacity to earn" than I was exercising and the Government was paying for the legal fees she incurred in trying to stop me having contact with my kids.

Over that 5 year period, the State would have subidised her (not counting HECS, of which she now has a debt approaching $80k) to the tune of $100k-$150k, while in the same period, I paid Child Support of over $40k, taxes of a similar amount and had to self-fund my own legal defence of her State-sponsored efforts to keep me from my children.

To put it all in perspective, in 2001 I had a gross taxable income of about $43k, while her gross taxable income was under $15k. After tax and the CSA, I had less than $25k left, while she had an after tax income of over $32k. That's right, over $17k of tax-exempt income, all thanks to the kids.

Productive work? If I was that "productive" I'd be bankrupt.

Spikey, congratulations, you get the prize for "most content-free post". Keep up the good work.