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An 'Obama Plan' for Israel : Comments

By Yinon Cohen and Neve Gordon, published 11/12/2008

Obama can end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but will he meet the challenge?

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Yuyutsu,
Now please, which group of extremists is selling stolen land to the extremist Jewish settlers?
Posted by keith, Friday, 12 December 2008 9:16:06 AM
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If Obama is truly honest about de-Nuking all the world's such armaments, better he promotes Kissinger to first begin with Israel's Nukes, which Kissinger has always believed will eventually cause more trouble for not only Israel but the world at large -

this is especially so if Israel tries to illegally Nuke Iran.

Regards, BB, WA.
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 12 December 2008 10:44:54 AM
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Keith,

I don't understand why this question out of the blue, and why in particular you ask me, of all forum-members.

Perhaps there are such criminals, but I am not aware of anyone selling stolen land to the extremist Jewish settlers. I read that there are some Arabs who out of greed sell their properties to settlers - this way they can get 2-3 times as much, but they also risk their head if they are caught. I condemn this, but I don't see how it is related to anything I wrote.

"One under god", your view of Israelis is completely distorted. Except for a loud minority of the settlers and their supporters, common Israelis have no interest in oppressing anyone, they want peace and do not believe in or desire a Messiah (of any form or shape). The word "zionism" is still used occasionally by Israelis, but in common speach a "zionist" came to mean "good citizen"/"one who cares for his neighbours/community/environment". Nowadays, the original meaning of the word is only used by the settlers and their supporters. Most Israelis are just normal people that want to get peacefully on with their lives.

Bushbred, you make me laugh...
"to illegally Nuke Iran"
When the only other option is to be 6000 foot under, should one first get a lawyer and fill all the appropriate documents in triplicates?

BTW, I like your idea of Obama sending Kissinger to request Israel to disarm its nukes. Poor old Kissinger will roll down all the stairs and this in turn will help wean Israel from its addiction on America.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 12 December 2008 12:08:17 PM
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Yuyutsu, you make me laugh too with your political ignorance.

I am talking as a trained socio-political historian, my friend.

So it seems you are among the too many, who believe that with Iran buried out of the way there will be peace in the Middle East, and doubtless the world.

Like certain others of your ultra-right wing mates, do you all good to study a few good history books, which will inform you that those who are running Israel, are also much too much ultra-right, making one wonder if though inhumanly cruelly treated they learnt too much from the Nazis.
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 12 December 2008 1:59:37 PM
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Bushbred,

All you contributed is calling names.

I didn't claim that if Iran is nuked there will be peace - just that the people of Israel will have a greater chance to survive, whereas otherwise their very survival is very doubtful.

I don't belong to or identify with any party. I form my own views.
I didn't know I had any such "mates", but if my views happen to be classified as "ultra-right wing", then I guess I am a proud "ultra-right winger".

I care not about history or about those who run Israel - I care that the people of Israel continue to live, as well as maintain their social fabric and not become refugees or be inundated with radiation diseases. If the only means to achieve this is eliminating Iran, so be it - but at this time it is still possible to take out the Iranian nuclear capabilities without hurting the common people of Iran - later on it will become much more difficult.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 12 December 2008 7:35:10 PM
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Yuyutsu>>..your view of Israelis is completely distorted.
Except for a loud minority...,common Israelis have no interest in oppressing anyone.>>

see how the jewish law reads NO URSURY
well xtians adopted that LAW
muslims adopted it too
so do the jew[but only for jews,not goys[non-jews]

via the increase of ursury the money changers get intrest[banking was given to jews,so they could charge the goys[non-jews]intrest.using the banking system the non-goys can buy up the media[re;conrad black /rupert murdoch,in short the industry is owned by these non goys; but then they control movies as well[even the gameshows often feature one special kind of person[60 percent of the richest list is non-goy]

there is many types of nongoys[some DO believe in the messiah]but lets talk about the acts of the settlers....are not the acts of the average jew[i agree]

[as i said most simply would reject as being true what i have written,but it is historic truth]

jesus upset the money-changers[so i studied the moneychangers,this recent trouble with georgia,[the same place a vile marxist/commie/bolchovic came from[that genocided 25 million xtians]the bolchovics were non-goy

all the wars in many ways tie back to the non-goy,who finance all war's,but they are few,we have neo-con and zionist[im refereing to the zionists[not the jew],xtians also have the neo-con[hoping[expecting armogeddon]

i state none in malice[my root is of the jew too]thus i can expose those capoes who shoved their own into the ovens,the same mob who invade others lands[they dont need to buy,they just fence it in[these i call settlers]

even in the holy land all jew arnt equal[there are lesser northersn or african jews that do the lower classes work[nearly as low as a muslim ,of the total of israel two thirds is non goy[one third are muslim[and muslim are out breeding at 3 times the non goy,its only a matter of time till they yet again become a minority,then who knows,all i do know is zionists dont want that.

>>..The word"zionism"is still used occasionally by Israelis,but in common speach a"zionist"came to mean"good citizen"/"one who cares for his neighbours/community/environment".>>

thats not what it means to us goys
Posted by one under god, Friday, 12 December 2008 9:38:55 PM
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