^speak out^

And I should listen to someone who thinks there is an invisible man living in the sky?.
Don't think so.

A very good article, thanks very much. I am wondering about this all the time. Why is there no muslim outrage when muslims kill hundreds of thousands of other muslims in Darfur? Why is there no muslim outrage when muslim suicide bombers slaughter fellow muslims in Irak and Afghanistan? Why is there no muslim outrage when the Mumbai killers shoot a complete Indian muslim family just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Just tell me why? But the apologists for these heinous crimes never have an answer.

Yes... well thought out and clearly spoken, and all in accordance with the prescriptions of the Qur'an. Com[politely and properly Islamic dicta. But, the operative word here is "collective." As long as Islam is led, or driven, by the Royals of the Desert, we shall see very little of anything collective beyond daily prayer and the oppression of womanhood. I refer you to the recent cancellation of the Palestinian aid shipment by Qatar. This may, in the overall picture, be but one small incident. But it is indicative of the "collective" spirit in which the Arab sees "brotherhood in Islam." Well, yesterday Qatar stood up to be counted. And today, they were counted out! A phone call was all it took. So much for gutless Arab-Muslim unity and support!

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As Bashir says:

"What benefit does it do to see Islamic scholars accusing these people of hijacking Islam and repeating ad nauseam that Islam is innocent of their actions when non-Muslims see these criminals chanting Allahu Akbar and quoting koranic verses and the Prophet’s sayings in justifying their crimes?"

Then he says:

"What is demanded of enlightened Islamic scholars is to come out of their hiding and show courage in rescuing Islam from becoming the doctrine of terrorism."

Of course....that raises the other issue of whether they will then survive the death threats.

THE PROBLEM is not the need for 'enlightened scholars, but that Islam is a religion of the book.... it is based on the Quran and Hadith and the Sunnah of Mohammad (personal history)

All the terrorists have to do is simply show that they are in character with Mohammad..and the 'enlightened scholars' then look like heretics and ninnies.

Here is exactly that taking place in London....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAq9PpCUgYU

The imam/scholar knows exactly what to say..and he is arab and knows the documents concerned.

I think the hardest issue our sentimental blokes and ladies struggle with is this.. that Islam by its foundation... does in fact promote and permit violence against non Muslims who are even 'perceived' as being 'against Islam'.

I'ts useless saying "That's your interpretation" when I've shown in the link that it is indeed THEIR intepretation. Of course that Cleric does not represent all Muslims, but what he says can be verified easily by reference to the quotations he uses.....It's not hard .. really.

What our sentimental friends want.. is for Muslims to simply 'decide' to interpret something in a way which suits and pleases them. ie... non violently. In their minds this would make them 'good muslims'....
Sure...good...to us...but to their prophet?

Melbourne's Bilal Al Rabi Mosque says it all. That man was an absolute animal (companion of Mohammad) lacking the slightest compassion ..yet they name a mosque after him?

This problem is certainly far-reaching and neccessitates a very firm and consistent action world-wide.

I remember many years ago during a visit to Vanuatu ( during the administration of Father Walter Lini), the common knowledge on the streets was the local ruling: "In Public Never Discuss Politics, Never Discuss Religion and NEVER Mess with the native women"!

This was a very sane, rational piece of advice, which if ignored would most probably result in a Green Slip ( an immediate deportation order ).

The time may have arrived where we have to implement these wise guidelines into the worlds Statutes and Laws, making it illegal to publicly discuss Politics and Religion ( allowable inside the privacy of one`s home only, with severe penalties for persons breaching these laws)!

This may seem to be somewhat reactionary to many religious and political zealots, however we MUST accept the reality of the fact that if we continue on the path we are currently persuing then we will have no option than to be involved in a modern day Crusade,...the war between Christians and Muslims.

Most of the conflicts across the planet over the last millenium have resulted from issues over religion and politics. The result has n been the extermination of millions of people, however that pales into insignificance as measured against what a modern day Crusade could bring.

We do NOT have to go down this path, but at the same time we have to accept awareness of the emerging issue and take action now before it is simply too late!

John J writes

'Only an atheist can accurately point out why ALL religious believers are wrong, and why doing what God tells you to is no substitute for rational thought and behaviour. Let us spread atheism in the realms of Islam -- from a safe distance, of course.'

Coming from the greatest murderers (atheist) of all time this is an incredibly self righteous statement. The frightening part is that many of the god deniers and god haters actually believe this crap.