rechtub show me the unskilled laborer earning $35 an hour.
Put him on the table, let us know what job he holds.
Tell me why his boss pays that rate.
Is it because he/she earns it?
Is it because of supply and demand?
And how did you turn the new IR laws into your personal nightmare?
Research that story, the one in the Sydney morning Herald of two weeks ago.
Hardly the socialist news.
In fact written by that papers financial editor.
Named close if not word perfect "Gilards IR a fair cop"
Well balanced the story even highlights the decline of unionism.
It however also highlights the new laws ARE NOT a return,[your words not mine] to union control.
Rechtub, surely, yes surely you can see Rudd is not going to let the unions run riot?
In fact the days you fear if they ever existed to the degree you claim are without doubt gone forever.
For over 100 years my union has had to fight people like you, who say workers are over paid, and claim the country will be ruined if we do not cut wages and control unions.
Who buys your products mate?
With what money?
A worker has his/her time and hands, brains and effort to sell, if the market needs those products it should pay for them.
How amusing that we still find true class based thoughts in some like you, to think that only some earn entry into middle class by their efforts.
And that we must keep sections down by wage control so others can prosper is?
Well you tell me.

Well belly, let's see

Un skilled labourers working on the Brisbane tunnel project are on $35 per hour + And yes, it is because of supply and demand but does that make it fair?

Brickies labourers on $300-$400 per day, not bad considering many of them can't read or write. The list goes on mate and you know it.

How can you justify a person holding a 'stop-go' sign earning more than say a qualified chef?

I have been warned by my industry that come July 09 Unions will be able to enter our workplaces and do what they like. Let's wait and see on that one hey!

In fact the days you fear if they ever existed to the degree you claim (your words)......Are you for real?

I have not said we should cut wages to evryone. What I do say is that un-skilled workers should not be paid more than qualified people OF ANY TRADE! A brickies labourer gets paid much more than a butcher or a chef. Did they go to colledge, did they spend four years on low wages to get a trade. NO! So why do they get paid more?

Now that the building sector is about to collapse, are you and your mob going to fight tooth and nail to protect their jobs, even if it does mean many of the builders will go broke as a result!

Just remember one thing mate, Supply and Demand!

The demand is about to stop so the jobs must go so please don't try to stop this natural occurance by screwing the employers of these over paid, under skilled workers

belly you cant argue with a closed mind

re the club [rehctub, ]thinks 35 dollars for 24/7 shift work [underground] is getting over paid[im presuming the tunnel dudes dont work from 9 to 5 oclock]

i recall just a few days ago some concrete beam killed some worker working on the tunnel[so 35 dollars for the danger is peanuts]no doudt he would not work underground at the real risk of death for standard brikie labour rates]and his math of 300/400 a day proves he cant even do math]and dont see 15 of it goes to tax

no doudt he dosnt begrudge 'movie stars their 10 million per movie or the dumb stunt dudes that dont get that for their risk[he would no doudt see million dollar contracts to play 'sport' as fair return,

i note he quotes 35 for a brikies labourer but dosnt mention billion dollard bonus for managment willing to work their workers to death

he lives his closed minded life thinking how bad it is that workers have rights TOO, that he cant wait till howhard the blowhard comes back to put the poor working slobs in their place[under his heel]

you cant cure a mind that is blinded by their own self importance and the supirior genes he no doudt holds [just be glad we dont work for him]

oneundergod,

Try 07RN18.PDF via Google.

thanks chris
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RN/2006-07/07rn18.pdf
i needed that one in another debate

QUOTE..>>Definition of unemployment

The official unemployment figures are those produced
by the ABS in its monthly Labour Force Survey.
Unemployed persons are defined by the ABS as those
civilians aged 15 years and over who, during a period of
one week (called the reference week), were not
employed, but were available to start work in the
reference week and had actively looked for work in the
previous four weeks.

Since the definition of unemployment is framed in terms
of people who are ‘not employed’, it is necessary to look
also at the definition of employment.

The ABS defines
employed persons as those civilians aged 15 years and
over who, during the reference week, worked for one
hour or more, or had a job from which they were absent.

1
Work is defined as work for profit, commission or
payment in kind, in a job, business or farm, or without
pay in a family business or farm.

The requirement that a person only has to work an hour a
week to be counted as employed creates a bias toward
counting a person as employed, rather than as
unemployed.>>

anyhow cheers
[you dont have that link re 'govt allowing govt to lie' to the people [or the media]its all linked somewhere [not that google lets us find it sans the code]

thanks for the code

rechtub you not I need a dose of reality, almost every day my phone rings with some one on that tunnel job wanting information.
Now you need to get rid of the group who are reporting to you its open slather soon, they are stealing what ever you pay them.
rechtub for 50 years brickies laborers have earned much more than some.
Have you any idea how hard that work is?
Now do you know what an ABN is?
under workchoices many laborers and tradesmen got such jobs , for apparent big money
An ABN is a tax file thing, you get big money are regarded as a contractor.
Paying from that say $38 your own insurances, all of them including public liability and workers comp, tax, holidays pay and public holidays even if it is only for your self.
Tools and much more.
Small business men are not all fools, for every one who like you sees phantoms in unions two actualy get free advice, or even help with policy's like safety training or drug and alcohol policy's, yes from unions.
rechtub free advice is not always bad and paid advice is not always good sack your IR adviser read my highlighted story and relax, the end is not even close.