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Is the Navy talking up China's nuclear submarine threat? : Comments

By Marko Beljac, published 12/9/2008

Should the Australian Defence Force be structured and sized for going to war against China as an appendage of US Pacific Command?

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The time frame jason60 is "within the space of your lifetime".
From the foundation of Israel (1948) to the end of the age (the Second Coming of Jesus Christ) is the period of the last generation. Before all those born in '48 all die out.
Just before the Return of The Lord China moves out and I believe south. Theres so many prophecies about half of Australia lost.
Its too late to Australia...thanks to fool governments and fool Defence.
All thats left is to try and stop the loss of it all.
Jason60...youre going to live to see it all, so lets strengthen those weak wrists and lets get ready.
There will be no mighty USA in the Bibles endtimes...just China and Russia.
Posted by Gibo, Sunday, 14 September 2008 9:40:35 AM
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Gibbo Well the bible was wrote before the USA was invented so i am not suprised they don't get a mention. Which half of Au . The desert bit or the green bit. You got it bad to be talkin shxxt like that, i wory for your future. Why point the finger at china, the expansions in china are less than skin deep.
Posted by jason60, Sunday, 14 September 2008 7:54:59 PM
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i'm surprised this topic hasn't received more discussion (or interest). is it because people agree and thinks there is nothing to say on this, or because it is too obscure to comment on? i find this issue very important. From both a waste perspective but also the dangerous consequences of continuing entanglements of Australia in conflicts between the USA and other countries, or possible though unlikely danger in 'withdrawing'. Better left to the defence and intelligence industries with their *conflicted interest*? I personally do not think so as Australians are being ripped off by special interests
Posted by Steel, Monday, 15 September 2008 12:56:57 AM
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Hi jason60.
Which half? All of the land north of Byron Bay NSW and North West Cape WA. The northern half of Australia. All thats dry and all thats green in that half.
Draw a line on a map across Australia from Byron Bay NSW to Nth West Cape WA and you will see what Im talking about. Its all of that land north of that line. This is shown in Pastor Jack Burrells book WHAT WILL BECOME OF AUSTRALIA (1975). God will allow the invader if the nation fails to repent of her sin. This is the essence of the many revelations to the christians about China.
Yes, I have concerns for the future as well but I no longer have much fear of death.
When I invited Jesus into my life most of the fear left.
For 16 years or so Ive been collecting prophecies and visions from the committed christian churches about an invader on Australian soil. Theres many out there amongst the churches and I believe they are true. I sure do! Theres too many of them for it not to be true. God still Sends prophecies and visions today. This is known to those who seek the Gifts of the Holy Spirit...of which prophecies and "words of knowledge" about the future are just two of those Gifts.
Its going to be an endtimes invasion when Australia has to stand alone in the South Pacific... for at least a while.
Sorry about the USA. Gods going to Judge her for her sins as well (A.C.Valdez's 1929 vision and A.A.Allen's 1954 vision are good starting points on this).
Chinas building a huge army... and she never stops. Whats that about if its not about the outward march into asia/sth east asia.
Yep...I reckon Australia has already lost it. At least a vast chunk of the land.
You need Jesus in your life if you upset about all of this. Remember...He is only a prayer away.
"Everyone who calls on the Name of The Lord will be saved"...Romans 10:13.
See you in a lively christian church this Sunday?
Posted by Gibo, Monday, 15 September 2008 7:11:18 AM
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Reckless defence spending has hitherto squandered tens of billions of taxpayer dollars and the Australian defence realm warrants scrutiny.

ADF recruiting is weak (perhaps attributable to dilution of the warrior ethos and an enduring “make love not war” creed that originated in the 1960s) with financial inducements hitherto not significantly improving recruiting. Combat units in the ADF are generally undermanned and several contentious new capabilities will predictably only have token operational status, a la the submarine force. Australia’s defence capacity is obviously governed by sustained manpower deficiencies so why have our political leaders sanctioned multiple costly and (arguably) some inappropriate hardware acquisitions?

Put bluntly, defence management is hugely dysfunctional. Influence peddling by major ‘arms bazaar’ players is rampant in Canberra involving strong political connections. The Defence Material Organization headed by the former supremo of the Collins submarine project also seems to act without adequate oversight and refuses to publicize projects costing detail on security grounds, thus being contemptuous of taxpayers.

The Collins class submarine debacle cost the nation dearly, also the ill-conceived Seasprite helicopter. Other projects in train that would not withstand thorough cost-benefit analysis include the Wedgetail and Multi-Role Tanker Transport aircraft, Tiger attack and MRH-90 helicopters and LHD aircraft carriers to name just a few; yet nobody is held accountable! The whole shameful scenario warrants an unrestricted Royal Commission.

Prime Minister Rudd contends “defence” (his word) of Australia’s trade routes paramount; but continental Australia and vast surrounding oceanic territory are physically indefensible by our very modest military capacity. The best we might achieve within ADF manning limitations and at justifiable cost is to substantially improve offshore surveillance and provide a versatile maritime strike capability to “deter” interference with our national interests.

The nation is facing inevitable economic decline with huge expenditure necessary to offset decades of infrastructure neglect and social disadvantage so our politicians need to get their priorities right. Continued inappropriate spending on defence by successive Australian Governments will not be economically sustainable.
Posted by Bushranger 71, Monday, 15 September 2008 8:13:32 AM
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Gibbo Your brand of science doesn't turn me on. I want hard facts , not fiction. When religion comes into discussion, it loses credability. You must have a pretty torrid time on these sunday meetings. I live in the real world, when you see a speeding car you know someone has got their foot on the accelerator.
Posted by olly, Monday, 15 September 2008 9:23:45 AM
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