George
Your sentence about secularism was not a paraphrase of anything John J wrote - look it up if you don't know what it means. Perhaps you meant parody, but it isn't even that.

Sorry but I lost you at "...the great religion of Islam"

John J writes

'Secular rationalists try and act in a way that is empirically likely to produce the desired results'

That is exactly why the end justifies the means for Secularist. They often act without a conscience. We see how callously they murder the unborn. But of course they can say the woman had the choice! Time and time again secularist 'rationalize' any despicable action that gets them their little bit of pleasure.

"Sorry but I lost you at "...the great religion of Islam"
Posted by hadz

Islam is an emulation of medevial european christianity - that is the reason Europe is silent of Islamic behaviour: it leads directly to the racist and muderous doctrines of medevial Europe: what difference between 'DOOMED TO HELL IF YOU DON'T CHANT IN JC' - and 'NO GOD WITHOUT MOHAMMED'?

The term religion is so disdained today because of the chaos to humanity by Christianity and Islam. These religions emerged when they assumed ownership of the Jewish bible, nation and religion - which was 2000 years older than them, and when they had no experience of that scriptures or laws; they held as gospel only what they could connected with the Gospels, the rest was seen as irrelevent. But neither gave the world a sngle law - all world accepted laws come from the OT.

Both these religions got up when they assumed Israel was dead after the war with Rome. Both were wrong - both contradict each other in their doctrines and description of factual history - nether have given the world a single new law, concept or message. All we have is 'belief' and the names of Messengers - but no message other than chaos.

One of them destroyed Jerusalem, erected a church on its temple site, and dumped the name palestine on that nation - and today accuses that same peoples of genociding the Pretend Pals - after fastediously barring thre return of jews for 2000 years. The other destroyed the church and erected a mosque on that site, assumed the European installed name of Palestinians to them [in the 60's], then went on to deny the Gospels's resurrection doctrine. Chaos comes from two King Kongs stalking humanity today - with none to take them to task.

CHAOS..

If anyone rejected any of the contradictions of the two king kongs - or sided with either one - or done nothing but followed their own predating beliefs - they would be deemed evil. Such chaos is not seen outside the christian-islamic realms: Buddhists, Hindu, and even Athiests do not make such contradicting and deathly demands - while having no substance when they are examined.

'WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE RETURN OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* - BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JESUS' - A Genocidal Decree from Pope Not So Pious.

'WE CALL FOR THE UTTER DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL - WE WILL DRIVE EVERY JEW INTO A SEA OF BLOOD' - Egyptian President Nasser against a UN Re-established state which all Islamic states voted in the UN Motion, and when no Pretend Paslestinians existed, and all the lands demanded today were in Arab hands.

I got lost when European christianity was not sited alongside Islam. Europe speaks with a double tongue, touting security of Israel - after inventing its Pretend Pal lie and while attaching a deathly 3-state lie, while calling it a 2-state for peace:

'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC COMPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS' - Churchill.

Truth is - the creation of Jordan was a great crime, perpertrated when the jews were at their most helpless. It is also the mark when briton lost her prefix of 'GREAT' and rust the world into chaos.

Anyone who spends some time studying the foundational doctrines of Islam -- the Qur'an, the hadiths and reads even a little of the Sirat Rasool Allah, will discover to their horror, that Islam as a political system is irreconcilably hostile to non-Muslims and totalitarian in nature. And it seeks the final conversion of all non-Muslims, by force if necessary of people of the book (Jews and Christians) and the outright slaughter of Hindus, Buddhists and other 'polytheists'. Mohammad may have been a brilliant warlord, but sadly he was also a murderer, rapist, pedophile, torturer and liar. He broke treaties, massacred tribes of Jews and ordered the assasination of his critics. These historical facts are starting to permeate Western consciousness. Muslims can't hide these horrible events -- they are there in the Islamic scriptures for all to read.