Bushbred,

You tiresomely repeat this mantra about poor Iran being a peaceful nation entirely ignoring the reality of their govt in word and deed.

So let me put this simply for you.

Irans leaders DENY the holocaust.
Irans leaders commune with a 1000 year old man living in a well
Iran’s leaders have threatened to WIPE OUT Israel.
Iran leaders wants to expand its revolution
Iran leaders wants Nukes to enable it to fulfil these desires.

That makes Iran VERY dangerous.

Any suggestion that Iran needs nukes because Israel has them is preposterous. Israel has no interest in Iran other than in maintaining their self-defence. Anyone who has a brain knows that Iran poses far more of a threat to Israel than vice-versa. This is especially so if Iran is non-nuclear. Iran's only valid fear of Israel is that Israel will attack its nuclear sites. Without the nukes there is no problem. So why does Iran really want nukes?

Fervent anti-semite that you are I know you don’t care about the real threat to Israel. The rest of the civilized world does care, however.

When it comes to choosing between a democratic state and a tyrannical theocracy, only the loony-left line up with militant, terrorist supporting, religious extremist, misogynistic, racists.

I never understand these arguments. Either all nations should be allowed nuclear weapons, or none. It's plain hypocracy to say, 'Disarm Now, but I'm keeping my nukes'. I can be trusted and you cant, and I am the judge of who is trustable because I have the nukes. Laughable man.

Usual Suspect,

Yeah its just crazy that we don't treat the worst, most insane dictators the same way we treat law abiding democracies. I mean after all we should be FAIR right? And how fair is to take a countries words and deeds into account when determining their likely behaviour? Totally irrelevant right?

If it wasn't Israel that was being threatened with extermination, but some socialist republic, the left would be screaming the house down. But because they see the chance for the Great Satan and its middle East clients to get hurt, leftist are strangely pro-proliferation on this subject.

Uranium sales to India? No Way, they haven't signed the non-proliferation treaty. Call out the greenpeace "save-the-whales-boat" and blockade our ports. But Iran is chasing nuclear weapons so that it can obliterate Israel and its Sunni neigbours with impunity. Well thats just too bad, and besides, we have a fire twirling conference.

The fact that the left cannot recognise the toxic nature of the regime in Tehran is hardly surprising. They spend all their time looking for the conspiracies of the Imperialists, so religiously inspired bigotry, misogyny and racism don't really register.

The coalition talks about destroying a nuclear program far from the centres of population (a program the Iranians deny having btw). Iran retorts it will lay waste to the region in retaliation. Yet the peaceniks don't blink an eye. Proportional response? Thats only for westerners.

The black armband view that pervades the left has left an indelible mark upon its faithful adherents. It is clear that only western democracies should be held to account for their actions, as we are inherently BAD people, ruled by BAD govt's. The actions of the rest of the world can only be understood through the prism of western injustice perpetrated in the name of imperialism.

So the brutal theocracy in Tehran, controlled by men who would be institutionalised under mental health statutes in the west, which has repeatedly made threats of oblivion to its neighbours, should be treated the same way as say, Britain, makes me ROLMAO. Nice one mate.

So you are back again Paull with the same worn-out story as if Israel with her illegal nuclear warheads is only after peace?

Tell us political scientists another one, Paull.

Also waiting for an apology to both Geneva and Hague Conventions which have Israel on their criminal lists.

Of course, if the UN was not so dominated by the US - now so much more rotten under the spell of Condy Rice - it would have Israel well up on its list right now of nuclear terrorist states.

Funny how things change.

Once upon a time -

Iran’s current nuclear industry was created at the insistence of the USA who, along with France and Germany provided the technology and assistance. Uranium was coming from South Africa and enrichment facilities from France. It was actually the Shah who first hinted at the desirablilty of nuclear weapons.

Iran was one of the first countries to recognise the State of Israel and they once worked together to develop ballistic missile technogy (Project Flower).

Iran was giving Israel oil and Israel was providing Iran with weapons and Israel once regarded Iran as another natural non-Arab ally on the edge of the Arab world.

But now?

It's easy to blame all entirely of the words and deeds of a few radicals on one side but history suggests the changes go far deeper and are more complex than the pre-digested Hollywood pap we are fed.

The background of North Korea's recent foray into nukes has more to do with Clinton's broken promises and renegeing on deals than just loony posturing. In the end, all they got was what they were already promised years before but had to drag us closer toward the edge of the pit to get it.

Also, what Ahmadinejad actually said about the Holocaust was -

"Any historian, commentator or scientist who doubts that is taken to prison or gets condemned.
Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, if the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe—like in Germany, Austria or other countries—to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe.
You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

"Certainly over the years it is political scientist s like Monbiot and Kissinger who have had the insight to purport how wrongful historical moves or halts by people in high places like the US shutting its mind to little Israel going nukisto way back"

US did not assist Israel with Nukes at all. France helped, because Jews helped France establish its nuke programs, as they did with Russia and America. Atomic fussion technology was based on Einstein's theories; it was a Jewish Russian scientist working in America, who gave the Russians this knowledge, not wanting this power to be in one nation's hands.

There is no country which has a more legitimate need for nukes than Israel - and no country which is more responsible to have it. Israel is one of the very few nations which has never stolen anyone's lands in all her 4000 year history - despite being dispersed throughout the nations. If Iran overwhelms little Israel - it certainly won't stop there. The doctrine of rejecting democrasy and free party votings is based on a lie - democrasy is not in contradiction of any religion, only in the usurping of Regimes ruling by oppression. Rejecting democrasy = rejecting laws for the benefit of Regimes.