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No smoking hot spot : Comments

By David Evans, published 22/7/2008

There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming: most are not aware of the most basic salient facts.

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Looks like a few folks commented on Brisbane's weather a couple of days too early. How are the fingers, rstuart? And Brisbane's coldest ever minimum was recorded around this time last year. Personal perceptions are funny old things aren't they. I keep thinking of The Goodies shaking and shivering until they realise the thermostat needle is just stuck.
Posted by Richard Castles, Thursday, 24 July 2008 9:40:32 PM
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Sams _ "From the blurb: "The theory of the Earth's climate evolution based on universal chemical-physical laws of matter-energy transformation is presented in the book."

Pseudo-scientific goobledygook [sic]."

While the output of the IPCC is merely "scientific gobledegook"?
Posted by viking13, Thursday, 24 July 2008 10:07:24 PM
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Hi Mil-observer

You have incorrectly accredited me with a refutation when I merely provided links as requested.

And thanks for commenting on the blog I threw in on a whim. It's titled: "Nexus 6 More humour than not."

Now perhaps I've missed your comments on Aeschbach-Hertig's rebuttal therefore, may I have them again please:?

"Rebuttal of ‘‘On global forces of nature driving the Earth’s
climate. Are humans involved?’’ by L. F. Khilyuk
and G. V. Chilingar" (W. Aeschbach-Hertig)

http://www.springerlink.com/content/36w570322514n204/fulltext.pdf

Cheers
Posted by dickie, Thursday, 24 July 2008 10:40:48 PM
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viking13: "While the output of the IPCC is merely 'scientific gobledegook' [sic]?

To some perhaps? It is an unfortunate statistic that a large proportion of the population doesn't have the necessary cognitive skills to grasp the contents of such documents:

"But despite better qualifications, almost half of all Australians aged 15 to 74 had literacy skills below the minimum level required to 'meet the complex demands of a knowledge society', the report said."
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/money/story/0,26860,24066415-5015795,00.html [original source: Australian Bureau of Statistics]

In terms of understanding of how science works, the stats are probably much worse. Many of the statements I've seen in these forums (such as mindless over-simplification of "carbon dioxide is a benevolent gas") support this.

Richard Castles: "Personal perceptions are funny old things aren't they."

Indeed they are, that's why we have the scientific method, and these things called 'statistics'.
Posted by Sams, Friday, 25 July 2008 8:17:06 AM
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Richard Castles: "How are the fingers, rstuart?"

Very good, Richard, but not because of the temperature. I try to avoid riding in the rain in winter so there hasn't been much riding this week. If the current temperatures continue this will be warmest week we have had in Brisbane this July, which I guess just re-enforces your comment about "Personal perceptions are funny old things":

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4003.latest.shtml

Your comment "Brisbane's coldest ever minimum" caused me to go looking on the BOM site. Those of you who think it isn't getting warming here is Queensland should look at this:

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/reg/cli_chg/timeseries.cgi?variable=tmin&region=qld&season=0112

As for your comment about last year being cold here in Brisbane - your sort of right. The average of the lows in July is 7.4, last year it was cooler at 5.8. However the average of the highs is 21.1, last year it slightly warmer at 21.3. My personal perceptions are more related to frosts. Frosts near my home = hurty fingers. We had one last year, which was an all time low. This year so far - none.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_040211.shtml
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/200707/html/IDCJDW4003.200707.shtml
Posted by rstuart, Friday, 25 July 2008 9:32:47 AM
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"Many of the statements I've seen in these forums (such as mindless over-simplification of "carbon dioxide is a benevolent gas") support this."

or "carbon dioxide is a malevolent gas" ;)
Posted by alzo, Friday, 25 July 2008 9:39:31 AM
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