While the left have bleated their indignant mantra about the lie regarding WMD in Iraq they have led the Lemming like sprint to destabilise Western economies due to the biggest hoax (lie) ever perpetrated.

Rises in CO2 follow increases in temperature.

CO2 is a plant food, not a pollutant, for Heavens sake.

Australia can not bring about any improvement even if the hypothesis were accurate. We can only commit economic suicide in a self righteous attempt to convince the big players.

Average world temps have not increased for over 8 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

At the very least the science is not in. Regardless of what Hollywood and Al Gore want us to believe.

Science and Hollywood? If you can not smell a rat you are beyond help.

Taswegian -- when our individually high rates are all added up we STILL produce one percent. What is getting tedious is the popularity of thinking in slogans and the articulate feel good types who have the mental dexterity to create their own reality. 1%=1% I do not give a damn how many it takes to get 1%, it is still exactly 1%.

ABC Media Watch tonight ridiculed The Telegraph and their persistent inability to interpret a bar chart. The vocal elites will do any thing to argue a point including trying to bastardise elementary mathematics.

Sam -- the world has enough thinkers what it needs is some doers. Have a look at the NSW Government 14 years of planning, thinking, inquiring, postulating, announcing, re-announcing and promising not to let it happen again.

The real question that needs to be answered, is what group of individuals or organisations, will be the big financial winners of Carbon Trading.

cowboy wrote 'Sam -- the world has enough thinkers what it needs is some doers...'

actually what the world needs is more 'balanced' people with 'street smart intelligence' getting themselves to positions of power applying their logic and reasoning to deal with issues that threaten our 'everyday normality'including dealing with 'unbalanced self interest' organized groups that is primary cause of why we have arrived 'here'...so never raises its head again...(I mean as in-'logic' primarily relationship to an event, while 'reasoning' is relationship to person/group- so wmd in iraq invasion, one can apply logic to deduce series of events/reasons/motives from act(shock and awe) backwards very accurately provided access given; while reasoning to iraq invasion depends on how its affected you/future etc, eg blood oil trade...)

eg next big headache/environmental disaster...nitrogen trifluoride in led screens 17000x more harmful to ozone layer...http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12287

so far focus of governments been 'increase market size'...for with it comes moneymoneymoney(aka economic growth)...but that focuses only on 'production'ie labour/raw materials etc...now we are closing the loop by looking at the whole life cycle of product including waste/recycling safely into cost of product to consumer/producer...

but end of the day joe...dont worry too much about why and why nots of global warming/climate change...economic destabilization is the biggest problem...agreed...and its looming...we have to deal with it...the primary cause seems to be the time of 'cheap energy(oil)' is coming to an end and has caught the world napping...

Sam

Sam - we have seen it all before.

Oil sands, shale oil, coal liquification etc there is no oil shortage. There is an oil distribution problem similar to the food shortage (distribution). 800,000+ Americans have written their congressmen and asked them to Drill Here and Drill Now. Carbon fibre pipes will allow drilling for oil reserves deeper than has been possible.

Canadian oil sands operations are currently producing $60 a barrel oil and South Africa is producing $10 a barrel oil. Stand back and watch free enterprise ramp up.

My prediction. 2012 and a barrel of oil at the final trade of about $85 US.

joe, your argument has great factor of error in them to 'cheaper' oil ($60-85 a barrel), but Im not sure if you have applied logic/reason or its based more on 'hope'....

I really hope you are right...but what you are saying just does not fit right into what we are seeing...light sweet crude easiest to extract...just flows out...rest oils/shales is hard work...meaning lot of energy goes into extracting some energy out...so effective available energy less...hope that makes sense...

and one really needs to understand true place of 'energy' to what we humans have created in our process of living on earth...eg lets say all energy stops now...then....yep...great populatoin will die out...whats left organize into small villages that can be sustained by local nature...getting food will become energy expensive physical task...like pre-industrial level...with me...so more easy energy=population explosion...as we have seen...but times changed...

I think oil prices will drop eventually...hope more to do with decreasing consumer demand/shift to alternate energy efficient use...and I hope 'governments' will use the cheaper energy to drive a more 'sustainable energy use'/'environmental ecosystems maintenance' balance...or we are going into a period where very existence of humans under continuous threats from self-made factors...

Sam