Re Anne O'Rourke's OLO, Melbourne's Herald- Sun newspaper recent report "A womb with a spectacular view "(21/6) should embarrass the Brumby labor government and the Victorian Law Reform Commission. It heralds a time when "parents will be transported into a relaxed atmosphere where they can view their baby's first pictures with family and friends". The image of their baby will be bounced onto a wall, giving the appearance of being inside the womb. Right now this government plans to legalise the killing of babies such as depicted in the accompanying photograph. On the whim of a woman or the say of a doctor. After reading this report and seeing the photograph, even more Victorians than already are, must be outraged. The best thing the
government can do is to forget this bad idea and do something positive instead. Like building a special gaol for abortionists. As a former prison nurse I don't like the idea of abortionists corrupting other prisoners.

Re Anne O'Rourke's OLO, Melbourne's Herald- Sun newspaper recent report"A womb with a spectacular view "(21/6) should embarrass the Brumby labor government and the Victorian Law Reform Commission. It heralds a time when "parents will be transported into a relaxed atmosphere where they can view their baby's first pictures with family and friends". The image of their baby will be bounced onto a wall, giving the appearance of being inside the womb. Right now this government plans to legalise the killing of babies such as depicted in the accompanying photograph. On the whim of a woman or the say of a doctor. After reading this report and seeing the photograph, even more Victorians than already are, must be outraged. The best thing the government can do is to forget this bad idea and do something positive instead. Like building a special gaol for abortionists. As a former prison nurse I don't like the idea of abortionists corrupting other prisoners.

"So it seems more and more with society, that animals are accorded more 'rights' than the unborn foetus. Please excuse me if I am missing the message, but something is very wrong with this picture."

Not at all. How can you rate for example, a four-celled foetus that has at that stage no nerve or brain cells, and hence no thought, emotion or sense of touch or pain, over an adult dog, that has at that point infinitely more intelligence and emotional range.

rstuart you write
'What you are doing here is claiming the victim status'
You totally misread me if you think I am claiming victim status. Anyone who has believed in the Lord Jesus and called on His name could not possibly be a 'victim'. None of the posts you linked have me claiming to be a 'victim'.

The issue I pointed out was that the majority of the secular biased media are in favour of women choosing themselves if they want to kill their unborn. Our national broadcasters are prime examples of this. Given two sides to the story is not an option for them. This however does not make me a victim just because the press are often dishonest. Where you got that idea I will never know. As a biblically thinking Christian I will never be in the majority. I certainly don't feel victimised because of it. All the posts you link me to show how much I dislike people using the 'victim' status dishonestly to gain the sympathy of many.

The fact is that the true victims are those in woman's wombs. They can't speak or defend themselves. It is not the women who want to have sex and then murder their offspring that are victims. It is not the secular media who have a barrow to push that are victims. It is the unborn babies who are the victims.

Hi Sam S and good afternoon.

I am one of those simple souls, who has for most of his adult life, been unable to drive past dead wildlife on the roadside or wherever at whatever time of day or night to turn the still twitching body over to see if a "pinky" - (usually marsupials such as possums or macropods) is still alive in its dead mothers pouch. My last charge now climbs around my back yard & neighbourhood trees carrying a joey on her back... so I get great satisfaction at seeing a small pink jelly bean sized organism grow and mature into a wild creature in its own right. But am I interfering with nature perhaps...? I don't believe that vehicular death is 'natural' for most wildlife, or for dogs or cats.

The last post mentioned by me was not discounting the fact four celled life forms are something I quote "Missed..." unquote.

To appreciate that point thank you for elucidating a biology lesson from 5th class. Frogs legs and Galvanic reactions spring to mind here.

The foetus referred to in my earlier post was not, as I read from the evidence at the time, in its embyronic 4 celled stage and therefore unable to react to basic stimuli such as pain and the like. It was in fact almost full term and the term 'murder' should have been applied in the legal sense to the parties involved in the procedure. Not even remotely, am I applying a religious context at this juncture. For it to have been able to cry would imply it was advanced past the second phase of cellular multiplication.

Sorry if I neglected to explain that earlier Sam, hope this reply can in some way help.

Regards... Albie.

Generalising and labelling religious people as "extremists" and being from the "right" wing is not a legitimate point of view but an insult. Many people, granddads, grandmums, mums and dads and young people who go to church are more than likely to believe in compassion over cold business efficiency and overwork. Many have families and children and interact with love and selflessness if they be true to the Lord. There is no evidence at all that Catholic or Anglican schoolchildren and their parents are "right" wingers or "extremists".
Non-religious people who make such remarks are projecting their OWN totalitarian ideals onto the religious as a result of blindly following the latest post modernist lecturer at their TAFE or University without REALLY thinking for themselves.
To label religious people this way, many of them your own neighbours whom I'm sure you actually LIKE is hypocritical, unscientific ( which is supposedly held in high regard by the non-religious). I would also call the branding of religiosu people by some psoters here as being discrimination and a hate crime( after all the non-religious championed the politically correct nonsense we have all been suffering under the past 30 years).
Alleged "extremists' brought us all the universities, hospitals and respite care for the aged and the severely disabled. Remvoe the Catholic hospitals, aged care and schools and social supports and society would suffer huge problems of compassion deficit.
Long live the alleged 'extremists'! God Bless 'em.