More than 80,000 abortions per year in Australia. Yet not one person in a thousand has ever seen a photo of an abortion but everyone has an opinion about it.

How many of you claiming that it is a "woman's right to choose" have ever seen an abortion taking place? If you are honest about finding the truth please visit any of the following sites to see what you are talking about:

www.tellthetruthcoalition.org.au
www.abortionno.org

When you've seen the abortion come back to the forum and tell us what you think. If you are not brave enough to view the abortion then you might like to ask yourself, "Why not?"

Abortion kills a human being. Abortion is evil.

negewnavdlanor- you are trying to use emotion to support your case. In response- as a 17 year old trainee nurse I was 'forced' to assist and accept the saline termination of a pregnancy to a young 20 year old mentally disabled woman as part of my introduction to the real world of nursing. She had not signed any consent. The gestation was said to be unknown, yeah right, yet I was forced to feel this child wriggle around attempting to find a safe spot. This child was birthed <24 hours later. Gestation was estimated to be 25 weeks by the expert. Was this woman given choice to conceive, I don't know but I sure as hell know this woman had no rights to making the decision to terminate. It was done as a matter of fact between her parents and the doctor falsifying gestation.
We had birth control but limited to those married. Before abortion became more readily available I witnessed women harming themselves in attempts to perform back yard terminations or forced into quick marriages. These women were often subjected to control, domination and violence by these men- sound familiar! Children suffered as they watched their mother being bashed night after night.
Until a man is able to conceive and carry a pregnancy then NO MAN has the right to take informed choice away from any woman. This decision is between her and her doctor and no-one else.

Hello Babs,
I wish I could follow your argument....all over this forum we are talking apples and oranges, the gender based argument vs what is a human...

What's suits me at this time of my life vs what's right.

Situational ethics makes for a poor night's sleep, because you are forever asking "what if?". In this case, “what if” the aborted child had the potential to be a genius and maybe solve global warming or the extinction of a species?

Would the possession of a womb allow me to decide what is a human? That's the decision that you are asking the child's mother to make.

If my daughter wanted an abortion and had received good information about all of the options, and still chose to abort, I would still love her. If the biological father had objections, I would hope she would give him a hearing, reach a compromise. I hope she would listen to her mother and I. In the event, we would however privately grieve the lost family member her decision had cast aside.

In the meantime, her mother and I try to teach her how there is no such thing as 100% safe sex, so the best option is committed monogamy. That everything in life involves choices and consequences. That its hard when you are young and facing making adult decisions. I guess as a family we talk about this stuff a lot. My sons know full well that women are more than sex objects. Their friends just don't get to talk about these topics with their parents. I'm doing what I can for my patch of the world.

Ultimately its about respect for life, male, female of all ages. Is there some absolute truth on the subject of abortion, yes there is, but this forum isn't going to agree on it. In the end I'll vote for the candidates that seem to agree with me, and lobby those who don't, as will everyone else. We won't solve it in here.

I wish you well in life,

Cheers

runner: "the vast majority of journalist and writers on this topic impose their pro choice views on anyone they can."

Runner, that statement makes no sense whatsoever. Telling someone to "make their own choice" can hardly be called "imposing a choice".

This is nitpicking, of course. But there is a reason to pick this particular nit. What you are doing here is claiming the victim status. You are saying we nasty secularists are trying yet again to impose our heathen views on poor runner. It is tactic you use often.

That would also be fine, if you weren't so keen to condemn others who do the same thing. Here is a selection of your comments where you do just that:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5532#74672
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6696#100305
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=363#6571
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6853#103153
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5532#74687

And perhaps most fittingly:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5911#82148

Or then again there was the case of a woman here in the NT who had a 'termination' performed. The foetus was evidently removed and placed onto a stainless steel tray and the woman taken from the 'procedure room' to recover. Some time later the cleaner, perchance, came into the 'procedure room' where upon entering, she heard the 'foetus' crying where it had been left lying in the tray some 82 minutes prior.

The matter was given some creedence by virtue of the fact an archivist working at the hospital concerned had verified the story - at some peril to their employment.

Pro-choice certainly, pro-life most definitely, but where in all of this does it give any of us - the adults responsible, the right to butcher so inhumanely a living being in this fashion? If the continuation of a pregnancy puts at jeopardy the life of either the mother or the foetus/child then the termination is quite possibly justified. Irrespective of theological dogmas, it then becomes a medical issue per se.

So it seems more and more with society, that animals are accorded more 'rights' than the unborn foetus. Please excuse me if I am missing the message, but something is very wrong with this picture.

"she heard the 'foetus' crying where it had been left lying in the tray some 82 minutes prior"

Given that a foetus can't breath on its own unless it is very near term, then either this is a very illegal abortion, or a load of rubbish. I leaning towards the latter.