rstuart,

You point out I said 'The small mindedness of the academic elite' and 'typical of someone who lives in la la land'. You could hardly call that vile hateful language. It seems incredible that you must go through a couple of years of posts in order to paint me as hateful. I wonder what motivates you to go on such a witch hunt and then form erroneous conclusions. I have never said all homosexuals are the same the just as I don't claim all Christians are the same.

I have attacked however the over represented homosexual lobby which is bad for society. They are not slow in coming forward in denigrating any biblical view. In actual fact along with the perverted pornography industry they are often outspoken and are quite vile in their tactics.

The fact that you point out shameful acts by Priests, Ministers and other religous people just shows you judge them by different standards. Jesus had 12 with Him and one was a thief. I am not sure what you are trying to infer.

This forum is one whereby all get to express an opinion. You seem to imply that biblical thinking Christians should allow the loud voices of the humanist to drown out all else. Any counter opinion to you seems to be labeled 'hateful'. I find that rather amusing as I have worked in number of different occupations and have never had that view slightly expressed to me. I am sorry but as long as I have the opportunity I will voice my convictions and opinions.

Sams,
As well as being arrogant and abusive, you seem to find abortion amusing.

I have noticed that you haven’t mentioned ways to reduce abortion, so either you can’t think of any, or you like abortions so much you wouldn’t like to see the abortion rate reduced.

I went through about 50 of the sites you have recommended, and I could not find any list of ways to reduce abortion. Over time I’ve seen many lists, including lists on ways to reduce electricity consumption, water consumption, green house gas emissions, food wastage, skin cancer, heart attack, and even malaria, but I’ve never seen a list of ways to reduce abortion.

Academics don’t seem very concerned that a list of ways to reduce abortion is not available, (or very hard to find), but perhaps a university academic would be automatically fired from their job if they ever produced a list of ways to reduce abortion.

Green house emissions, lung cancer, heart attack, malaria -> bad.
Abortion -> good.

I hope you also found the NARAL link amusing, and recognized the similarity between the methods used out by the totally corrupt NARAL organization in the US, and the methods being used by the author in her article.

Next university academics will be saying that universities help to broaden the minds of the young, but others would believe the exact opposite

HRS

Finding ways to reduce abortion would be career suicide for those more interested in morals than rhetoric and blinded dogmas. That is why so many take the killing of the unborn so lightly. You might also notice that the mental affect on woman having abortions is little researched or kept silent. Some boldly proclaim they have no regrets but those woman I have come across are a different story.

Your statement 'Next university academics will be saying that universities help to broaden the minds of the young, but others would believe the exact opposite' is spot on.

They are the first to point the finger at other 'narrow minded' people' and yet scream the loudest when there own godless views are challenged by science or otherwise.

Well it seems that the two pro-lifers have fallen back to fallacious ad hominem attacks (somehow abortions are caused by those sinful, lazy academics - shame on you Einstein and Desmond Tutu), red herrings about contraception research (not that its relevant but I found plenty - obviously "others" lack the literacy skills needed to find it - maybe they should go to uni) and whining about being persecuted ... so I guess this debate is over.

runner has spent the last 3 or more post whining about how persecuted he/she is. HRS couldn't even answer a question that was actually on topic "What is exactly is your policy for those people - ignore them and hope they go away?"

HRS wrote: "Next university academics will be saying that universities help to broaden the minds of the young, but others would believe the exact opposite"

... or, we could take about abortion .. just a thought. Aside: I found uni level science, especially quantum mechanics and relativity broadened my view of the universe. My grad cert in education taught me a lot about developmental psyc which is helping me raise my child adopted from Ethiopia - she is a gem. I'm sure others that have studied science, art and literature have founds these broadening - not to mention their incredible contributions to society: I hope you are enjoying having computers and the Internet - brought to you by science, engineering, and IT academics by the way. Did they broaden your experiences by any chance? I suppose though if you treat online forums as a broadcast medium instead of a means to discuss and learn, and you don't know how to research using Google, then the benefits are diminished.

Sams,
I really don’t want to hear about you. I ’d like to see a list of ways to reduce abortion. You haven’t suggested even 1 way of reducing abortion.

The author must have spent considerable time reading through submissions, and then writing an article in an attempt to vilify a religion. That time that could have been spent developing a list of ways to reduce abortion.

However I don’t think a university would give any type of reward to someone who drew up a list of ways to reduce abortions. That university could give them the sack.

HRS: "I really don’t want to hear about you."

Well stop reading then. Welcome to free speech!

HRS: "I ’d like to see a list of ways to reduce abortion. You haven’t suggested even 1 way of reducing abortion."

Contraception - there's one. I think I did mention that as did many researchers that I saw. Less interference in decent sex education by ignorant right-wing superstitious extremists - there's another. But there again I'm not an academic, I'm the managing director of an IT company to helps charities and other non-profits (tsk tsk there I go again talking about myself). Better left to the experts I'd say.