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No more appeasement, West must push China to democracy : Comments

By Chin Jin, published 22/5/2008

The West assumed that China was developing into a friendly economy and dropped its guard. This was a big mistake.

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"China will have become an important world economic and military power, and it will still operate as an unaccountable repressive regime that does not respect human rights and democratic values."

So the so-called 'communist' oligarchs have modeled their State Capitalist system on the good ol' U$ofA then!
Posted by Sowat, Thursday, 22 May 2008 2:19:19 PM
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Error: Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 1:06:06 PM

Veblen: twientieth century [c.1915], not nineteenth.

Early twentieth century. Please excuse the typos and that outright mistake.

I think the popularist books on Confucianism and the 36 Strategies highly superfical in working with China. The business person need good guanxi, for sure; but the Shang, the probable background to entrepeneurs, were on the outskirts of both Conficianism and Neo-Conficianism though the dynasties. Most Western business people not read the correct literaature and stand a good chance of being fleeced.

While note being a big drinker, I have enjoyed the occasion glass of XO with Chinese businessperson. The difference was I waas negotiating on behalf of Sinaporean and Hong Kong SAR companies headed by Chinese directors. Good work experience for an academic.

State Capitalism? Mussolini's Italy is an example. The dictator was the head of Government, Head of THe Party and The Head of "Corporations".

China also operates via a familial Diaspora as does the Jewish community. Close family are often spead across the significant Western countries. With Chin this could become a valuable conduit for "shared" wealth creation, but it requires oppeness
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 22 May 2008 3:57:47 PM
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It is really interesting to note that in today’s world it is more important to schmooze up to, and kowtow with one of the most, well what can one say but depraved and deplorable regimes on the planet in order not to upset their big egos and jeopardize lucrative trade they might control.
Principles and ethics don’t count for squat, ‘Realpolitik’ is the order of the day.
But does anyone realize that this just equals Prostitution; for such stands will come back to haunt the perpetrators of such spineless behaviour.
Politicians would be the first to note failures to make a principled stand in past history, but the lessons arising from it eludes the grasp of every one of them.
Politicians are more concerned with small, short term gains to their ego, than grand, long term achievements that could make them an icon of respectability for generations to come.
No such luck however with the current crop of ‘Leaders’, even though the Tibet issue is such a clear cut, and well explored and documented issue.
That is if one omits the blatant distortions and fabrications the CCP incessantly proffers, and takes the facts as it has been well expounded by true experts, but whose voice is being drowned out by the cacophony of verbal venom, vitriol and lies from the CCP cabal.
Tibet is an illegally occupied country and the Chinese Leadership is at best a cabal that does not even recognize any civil code as we know it and needs to be put into its place.
If just one politician, parliament, country, could be the “first” to find a moral fibre left in its soul and make a stand and move on the Tibet issue; declare it an Occupied Country, raise the issue once again at the UN, recognize the Tibetan Government in Exile and thumb it to the Chinese as they constantly do to the rest of the world, and the rest of the “civilized” would follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhjad2MJsT0 Get the true background on Tibet and the riots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a2ory5hr4g A careful look at history
Posted by cardano, Thursday, 22 May 2008 4:55:28 PM
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Its Holy Bible time folks.
China never, ever, ever co-operates with the West!
If we look at the final book of the Holy Bible...Johns Revelation...chapters 9:16 and 16:12...we see a vast, unbelievably huge, asian confederacy army moving out of the east and across asia killing 1/3 of mankind...the destination is Armageddon north of Jerusalem. 200 million soldiers killing 2 billion people.
Thats China and those she pressurises to join her in the Bibles endtimes.
She never co-operated with anyone but continued to build for the day when she would "take down" the mighty USA with Russias help.
If theres anything we need to do, its pray for people in her path to escape her.
Check out the signs that we are in the endtimes re: the kings of the east.
Posted by Gibo, Thursday, 22 May 2008 5:20:04 PM
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When China looks at a decaying West,there is no way they will adopt democracy.

Our legal system was probably our greatest downfall.Litigation with a system whereby rights come before responsibilities,have made our Govts impotent and thus incapable of making decisions for the common good.

The West has lost it's momentum.It is both confused and divided.The new world order is of multi-nationals who sedate our Govts with donations and Govts who tinker at the edges of their impotence.

China will fill the void with their totalitarian philosophy and the multi-nationals will oblige to shore up their bottom lines.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 22 May 2008 8:09:01 PM
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"China will fill the void with their totalitarian philosophy and the multi-nationals will oblige to shore up their bottom lines."

Too true. Diplomacy has no friends, only interests.
Posted by dickie, Friday, 23 May 2008 6:07:39 AM
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