Paul can you spell Gobbledegook?

Here you go Usual Suspect....perhaps you can understand this a little better!

From Paul, modified by Jadele

Once again, I must add a little sympathy, in contrast to others.

I believe that what Tankard Reist and some of the conservative contributors are talking about here is something akin to what lefties and feminists would describe as the social or cultural conditioning by a society of its members to live subordinate to pol economic or sexual economic conditions, and the examination of which is kept by the lunatics running the asylum outside of scrutiny from the rest of us.

Some employ the term "inscription", to describe this Stepford Wives or Orwellian type of erosion of this notion of the autonomy of the supposed free standing or self sufficient conscious individual. It originates with Freud's critique of psychic structure and operation that includes the unconscious, and elements of "soft" Euro left thought.

While some of Freud's examples have been superseded, the underlying concept of an immanent and decipherable psychic base and superstructure (if you like) itself remains a valid notion for commencement of social investigation ie this “conditioning” by the media or corporations (the “superstructure") needs to be examined/explored, questions asked etc – exactly what Tankard Reist and others are doing.

And looking around at the behaviours and pathologies continuously evident anywhere in this crazy world, I, too, worry about the "processing" of individuals (ie the things Tankard Reist is talking about) and the apparent consequences as a result.

Vanilla,

'I'm currently working on a Melinda Tankard Reist game* for tweens. When you sign up, you form a group, and then you all get to "counsel" another young girl who has wound up pregnant by telling her abortion is an evil sin. If she has the baby and gives it up for adoption you get bonus points. The higher levels are kind of a competition, where you have to find hidden sexual and demeaning imagery in innocuous advertisments. Bonus points if you can convince the ASB to ban them! When you win, you get to go to heaven and live with the angels, who are kind of like princesses, and ban porn for eternity. It's tops fun!
'

I just have to stand up and applaud that. Post of the year my girl. Like Bart Simpson once said ...

That's funny for soo many reasons!

Jadele, U.S's response reminds me it is not just females who have had the wit conditioned out of them in our complex modern society.
Don't you yearn for the days when genuine ignorance could be acquired only through something as drastic as a drunken car prang or frontal lobe lobotomisation?

BTW, US etc, I also understand where you are coming from.
The term Cornflower used; "risk averse parent" ( nervous nellie? )and the responses from people concerned with being roped into life in a more repressive society for reasons far more sinister than merely to assuage the arguably at times irrational fears of above, are quite obvious.
Particularly when exploitative politicians exploit unconscious or irrational fears in search of a means to power, as happened with the Hansonist phenomena, and big business uses money better employed on say, alleviating poverty, on whole batteries of psychologists, behavioural scietists etc, to crack the mental codes of humanity in order to condition them "from the inside"( why else do they spend such money? ).
So, one type of censorship can be a stalking-horse for censorship in general. In a resulting intellectual vaccuum, replete of ignorance and fear, older more medieval ideas can thrive unchallenged, making control for those with power easier.
Tankard Reist herself may even be pray to irrational fears and drives, like the rest of us. And I accept she may not be being entirely frank in the disclosure of some of her (obscured?) more long term agendas for reasons that relate to her own particular conditioning.
But it is also fair enough to consider a paradoxical, unsuspected libertarian element emerging. Like many of her opponents, after all, she suggests it's time corporate elements got their claws out of the minds and brains of kids not old enough to screen the inputs from them into these developing minds, inadvertantly or even deliberately causing unconscious behaviours that might cause them harm later in life.
For simply the satisfaction of an arguably irrational greed impulse in a few shallow, unconscious adults, we should possibly psychically circumcise/castrate our kids ( after all, we don't really know all the consequences of f-cking with their minds is, yet ), is evidence of something very disturbing in our own community psyche that we would not hesitate to condemn in others, like mid easterners, say.

paul walter,

Big words don't make you sound intelligent if you don't know how to put them into a sentence.