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By Mark S. Lawson, published 17/4/2008The argument is if human activity has added to the current, natural warming cycle: and if it hasn't then why spend up big on carbon trading?
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Posted by keith, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 6:56:56 AM
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I was preparing a scathing response to Richard Castles. But then realised there was not much to respond to.
If a person wants to complain about not getting wet in the rain because they're holding an umbrella. Who am I to stop them? Posted by T.Sett, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:14:04 AM
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T.Sett, says "I will have to agree with you on one point. The climate has changed in the past." .... but you give me no option but to ask the obvious. Why is climate now not deemed as normal natural historical change too?
When I look at the aa index of geomagnetic activity I simply see as clear as day that our largest plasma discharge formation, the sun drives earth's climate ..... it gives the best indication of what has happened since 1884 and better than sun spot numbers. Of course a word of warning, you will find that there is no necessity to go looking for some imaginary or substantially manufactured hole since the 1950s for some dodgy AGWer to plug CO2 into. My interest in this climate debate stems mostly from the rise of a particularly nasty media priest class who continually pump out this deceitful theology posing as science. There is no honest investigative science journalism to be found in Australia. If Kevvy really is intent on an education revolution then he should start by depoliticising science and opening it up to greater scrutiny and debate. He has completely failed on this core promise since day one and we appear to now have entered a new age of unreason, which threatens to be as economically harmful as it is profoundly disquieting. It is from this, above all, that we really do need to save Australia and the planet. Posted by Keiran, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:35:13 AM
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Keith, I would suggest that you have your facts wrong. China has been a net importer of food during several years starting at 1980.
See http://www.cast-science.org/charlesABlackCurrent.asp?idBoardMember=108 David Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:37:32 AM
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T.Sett
Yeah, Richard Castles is looking forward to ignoring my reply (to what I have no idea unless G Larsen is Castle’s sock-puppet) so I’ll make it easier for him … I won’t reply. Posted by Q&A, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:50:54 AM
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Hi Keiran,
I already addressed your question in the same post you quote from. Perhaps I need to elaborate. 1. The current warming trend cannot be attributed to the usual suspects (solar activity, as measured as output of Watts per square metre, is down, Earth's orbit is stable, etc.) 2. Fossil fuel produced carbon is isotopically identifiable. It is also prevalent in the atmosphere. 3. Evidence suggests that the Oceans are reaching saturation point for CO2 storage. There are many more points that convince me but they are the main three. I am after all limited to two posts a day and 350 words. I am happy to be proved wrong. But skewing a graph to suite your argument or looking solely at one of the numerous factors of climate will not do it for me. I can't speak for the media. All I can say is ignore them, I try to. They still have a lot to answer for for portraying lay persons such as professors of History as experts in this field. Posted by T.Sett, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 11:27:57 AM
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Does the same apply in Africa, Cuba, Malaysia and Indonesia?
China's water problem is restricted to the Northern and Eastern Industrial povinces where water is scarce because of the industry. Agricultural land in those regions is be used for urban expansion and does contribute to China's falling food production as does the increasing population due to increasing longevity BUT the main cause is the lack of infrastructure and diesel oil rationing due to a lack of supply.
This year is the first in China's history where China has become a net importer of food.
You need to read more widely.