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Sceptics will have their day : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 17/4/2008

The argument is if human activity has added to the current, natural warming cycle: and if it hasn't then why spend up big on carbon trading?

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T.Sett

“I am ashamed to say, I have been guilty of feeding trolls.”

Why “no more”? I find it quite amusing to see their musing!

“After over 100 years since the godless, liberal hippy Svante Arrhenius was inspired by Al Gore to publish estimates of a doubling of carbon dioxide, the global warming hysteria began!

Today, Global Warming is a scam put forth by people who care about the environment to steal all our tax dollars, destroy the free world, put computer chips into our bodies, and push Islamo-fascism on the innocent children of today.

Al Gore’s second coming began with his torturous power-point presentation, and his establishment of the church of warmist alarmism called “IPCC” of which he took over the role of Messiah.

After that, he decided to take his revenge on the American people by teaming up with thousands of scientists who secretly gathered in communist infested Kyoto where they all secretly agreed to perpetuate the myth that the average temperature was rising.

According to some economists, such a temperature doesn’t actually exist so whether we are on Venus or Earth would make no difference. This is simply more proof of the liberals attempt to make imaginary numbers up and scare us into going green.

... all things that look like hockey sticks are bad. If you see one, attack it. Also, if you’re a hockey fan, you’re a hypocrite.”

Read the full story here:

http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/summary-of-a-century-worth-of-physics/#more-142
Posted by Q&A, Thursday, 24 April 2008 5:51:15 PM
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T.Sett that article on the ABC from some Prof is pure propaganda. For the AGWers especially, we certainly see that they will need to be controlled, prepared and repeatedly warned, be well armed with entrenched avoidance behaviours like pulling down the shutters, disconnecting and walking away from highly plausible arguments. i.e. Keep the blinkers well and truly on and as I say, I simply find this arrogance profoundly disquieting.

Comments about your three main points.

(1) Since the IPCC selectively only looks at solar irradiance on selectively short timelines/data and ignores other essential solar "pulses", represents one very good reason to study the aa index of geomagnetic activity which has doubled and been in an uptrend for over 100 years. Only a halfwit would ignore this fact. The last thirty years of this index seems to indicate signs of instability or what one may call the shakes. This could mean a turning point after a rather long very active period. The present extended solar minimum could be confirmation .... we can only speculate but it is not going unnoticed by many leading scientists.

(2) Human CO2 emissions in the air is not rocket science but if I was an obnoxious little weed, I would be thankful of all this extra and free CO2 fertiliser that would allow me to grow healthier, bigger, stronger and greener.

(3) When we have long warming periods such as 20thC we know for a fact that the oceans that contain the bulk of the surface CO2, release this gas and when the climate cycle turns down cooler it just gets re-absorbed. Our emissions of this minuscule amount will have next to no effect on the earth’s CO2 quota let alone it’s temperature. i.e. Oceans reaching saturation point for CO2 is misleading nonsense.
Posted by Keiran, Thursday, 24 April 2008 8:09:22 PM
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I see the lines are drawn, the levelers with full defence of the defenceless argument based on fraudulent charts and bodgy climate models declaring we must all reduce our lifestyle to that of an 11th century subsistence farmer.
One thing good from it, no more children being brainwashed with environmental propaganda, they will all be toiling in the fields for sun up to sun down, pulling the plough and removing bugs from the maize crop.

Watch out, the EU set up these socialist structures for controlling food prices back in the 1970s. the policy doubled the cost of food in UK overnight, created surpluses which were sold at below cost to Russia and handed over an olive oil lake to be burgled by the Mafia.

Does anyone think “carbon trading” will be any different?

Give a government an opportunity and they will bugger it up but this time it will not be on a national scale, nor a continental scale. It will be a world wide stuff up and, here is the point,

It will be you and I who will pay for it.

Alternatively, we could all leave the doomsayers to slash their wrists, get on with our own lives and save the pain.

I for one will follow that alternative regardless of the protestrations from the environmental fascists.

You never know, I might have found or been tipped on an alternative to the problem and be quietly investing in the opportunities which are sure to come with change.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 24 April 2008 9:47:55 PM
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I see the lines are drawn, the levelers with full defence of the defenceless argument based on fraudulent charts and bodgy climate models declaring we must all reduce our lifestyle to that of an 11th century subsistence farmer.
One thing good from it, no more children being brainwashed with environmental propaganda, they will all be toiling in the fields for sun up to sun down, pulling the plough and removing bugs from the maize crop.

Watch out, the EU set up these socialist structures for controlling food prices back in the 1970s. the policy doubled the cost of food in UK overnight, created surpluses which were sold at below cost to Russia and handed over an olive oil lake to be burgled by the Mafia.

Does anyone think “carbon trading” will be any different?

Give a government an opportunity and they will bugger it up but this time it will not be on a national scale, nor a continental scale. It will be a world wide stuff up and, here is the point,

It will be you and I who will pay for it.

Alternatively, we could all leave the doomsayers to slash their wrists, get on with our own lives and save the pain.

I for one will follow that alternative regardless of the protestrations from the environmental fascists.

You never know, I might have found or been tipped on an alternative to the problem and be quietly investing in the opportunities which are sure to come with change.

Socialism by Stealth, that is all it is, dressed up as enrivonmentalism. Trotskys entryists quietky feeding the small minded envy of the gullible.

How are things Q&A, still peddling your partonising garbage?

Never did see you substantiate your fraudulent claim that I made "misguided statements".

I guess "sledging" is about as close as you get to "professional integrity"
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 24 April 2008 9:54:36 PM
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“Argument based on fraudulent charts and bodgy climate models declaring we must all reduce our lifestyle to that of an 11th century subsistence farmer.”

Yep, another misguided statement from “The Book-keeper’s Guide to Climate Science”.

As for Col’s colourful classic; “Environmental fascists … Socialism by Stealth … Trotskys entryists quietly feeding the small minded envy of the gullible.”

Global Warming is just a hoax perpetrated by “environmental extremists”, "left-wing loonies" and ‘liberal wackos” such as:

NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
World Meteorological Organisation
National Academy of Sciences
State of the Canadian Cryosphere
Environmental Protection Agency
The Royal Society of the UK
Australian Academy of Sciences
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
National Centre for Atmospheric Research
American Meteorological Society
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Academia Brasiliera de CiÃncias (Brazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academia des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Well ... you get the drift.

And not least the 179 “enviro-nazi” countries of the world that are signatories to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

More food Col?
Posted by Q&A, Friday, 25 April 2008 5:11:34 PM
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Q&A “Yep, another misguided statement from “The Book-keeper’s Guide to Climate Science”.

I see you allude to my qualifications as “book-keeping”. How sneeringly dismissive and patronizing of you.

What I do covers bookkeeping (if you cannot reconcile a bank statement, you ain’t worth calling an accountant) but I also cover alot more, not that you could appreciate, being probably incapable of keeping a set of books or balance a budget to save your life.

But a deficiency in your performance has never stopped you from sneering at others. I guess, from your lowly perspective, “sneering” encapsulates the closest you can get to feelings of success.

As to my “misguided statements” – if they were so misguided, you would be able to challenge them directly, instead of listing the names of government and other authorities as evidence to my “misguided” nature.

Well the world was convinced of the merits of DDT, lead in petrol and thalidomide. All those authorities you list would have endorsed or at least condoned their use, had they been around at the time.

As for getting a “consensus” from a UN forum, you are pulling yourself. What comes out of those talk fests is a consensus to convene more talk fests and keep the scientific and diplomatic “trough-snorters” with full bellies and additional sojourns in exotic locations.

So try again Q&A. I do believe those initials of yours must be short for “Quixotic” and “Asinine”, you are certainly easily provoked to tilt at windmills, adopting the dim-witted posture, as we saw on the Jennifer Marohasy thread and are seeing here again.

And still no declaration of your test-tube boiler credentials. Indeed, the hollow claims of the wannabe
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 25 April 2008 10:40:08 PM
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