I suspect that the odd lost Websurfer who reads this will by now have had sufficient exposure to Yabby's malevalant and meandering mind to finally have a firm handle on all globalist groupies. In this, we may have served some useful purpose.

Tony, I agree. However, I may choose to persist a bit longer, even if you understandably choose not to. There are still bucketloads of Yabby's fallacious self-contradictory arguments that should be shown up for what they are. They could actually be used elsewhere in conjunction with our responses as a useful online resource if they were formatted and structured well. There's enough twaddle here to keep me going for possibly another week, even if Yabby chooses not to write another word.

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'Malevolent' (and not 'malevalent' BTW) is definitely an apt description notwithstanding Yabby's token, hypocritical and probably disingenuous indignation at the Catholic Church's criminally reckless encouragement of population growth in the Third World.

Anyway, as Yabby has said, the fight against global overpopulation is all too hard for him to persist with seriously. So, instead, he chooses to devote his time to fighting for the overpopulation and environmental degradation of Australia, destroying social welfare and workers' rights, privatisation, the rights of land speculators to screw tenants and first home buyers, the continued destruction of our manufacturing sector in the race-to-the-bottom globalised economy etc, etc.

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Yabby wrote, "Frankly I could not be bothered (reading the links that daggett has provided)".

I can only assume that Yabby is trying to imply that if he chooses not to look at the evidence of the poisoning of our environment as a consequence of uranium mining, then that evidence must not exist.

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Anyhow, as I pointed out before we got sidetracked, "In these circumstances, the hope that Australia can ever profitably manufacture any products other than a few specialised niche or boutique products, unless Australian workers are prepared to work for Third World wage levels, is a pipe dream."

Tony I agree. Call me every single name under the sun, its great therapy and will
make you feel better. It might not do a thing for your argument, but as long as you
feel good, all is solved :)

If you believe that the Catholic Church has nothing to do with the overpopulation
problem, I would not even bother to change your mind. Its simply not worth
the time.

Daggett, I once took the time to follow one of your many claims, ie the amazing
work of the South Australian Housing Commission, about which you went on
and on. I did my homework. What it came down to was that they were given free
land, free money ( I have yet to see where they paid interest), then built a whole
heap of weatherboard dogboxes, which were onsold at cost. Now give me free
land and free money and I will build you some cheap dogboxes too!

Fact is, Australian houses have doubled in size in the last 30 years, people don’t
want to live in those dogboxes anymore. Fact is, all those Govt charges in NSW,
applied to new land releases and houses are so great, that people can neither afford
to buy them, nor developers afford to build them. Quite a change from free land!

As you are clearly far more keen to play the person rather then the facts,
I don’t bother with all the books that you claim to have read.

Around the world, in Japan, Europe, USA, Korea, Singapore, etc. etc, you have
so called specialised manufacture, all paying high wages to their employees and
selling their products. I note that West Australians have just won another 75 million
$ contract for aluminium patrol boats for Trinidad.

Perhaps you think that Australians are too stupid or lazy to compete on the global
markets, as workers all over the world are doing. You would rather rely on
tariffs, so screwing consumers and efficient industries such as farming and mining,
for your living.

Well think again. Get off your butt and compete in the real world.

This argument just gets more and more bizarre the longer it goes on. Instead of engaging with the evidence I have presented, Yabby complains about a transgression allegedly committed by myself months ago on 20th December 2007 (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6697#104085) in an arguemt over land speculation and proceeds to re-fight that argument.

If that is not dragging a red herring across the trail, I don't know what is.

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Yabby wrote, "As you are clearly far more keen to play the person rather then the facts, I don’t bother with all the books that you claim to have read."

As I wrote on 19 January 2007 "No doubt yab-bot will not delay in providing us with abundant examples of where daggett has for 'most of this thread' attacked him personally." (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6697&page=0#103833)

I am still waiting.

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Yabby wrote "I note that West Australians have just won another 75 million $ contract for aluminium patrol boats for Trinidad."

As I have said many times before, Yabby has yet to provide figures which demonstrate that these occasional Australian manufacturing success stories amount to a significant fraction of Australian economic output and provide employment to a sizable proportion of the Australian workforce.

The neo-liberal ideologues have been given virtually open slather to remake this country in their misearable image for many decades now. If there had been any validity in their claim that Australian manaufacturing can thrive in a world with so many workers paid slave wages, without protective tariffs, then I would have though it would have happened by now.

*I am still waiting.*

Daggett, well keep waiting lol. Anyone who reads the posts can note the ad hominem attacks for themselves. For some posters its worth doing some homework,
for you, its not worth the bother. I prefer to leave people like you and Tony raving
on about the joys of reading Castro’s speeches etc and simply chuckle to myself.

Those manufacturing industries which have changed with the times, doing specialised manufacturing, are generally doing fine in Australia. Their main
complaint seems to be a lack of workers. So it is pointless trying to grow
manufacture, if there is not the staff available. Good staff will go where the
money is and that is in mining right now.

Australian manufacturing can thrive, just like Swiss, German, Japanese, Korean
etc manufacturing industries do, despite wage rates and without tariff protection.
But it is about specialising, not trying to make cheap consumer goods, that can be
made far cheaper elsewhere. So it is all about innovation and consumer needs, be
they industrial or private.

Manufacturing should earn its living in this world, just like any other industry, not
by dragging others down with tariff protection.

Yabby,

Why I should feel the least bit concerned if you choose not to substantiate your claims that I have engaged in personal attacks against you?

Yabby wrote, "For some posters its worth doing some homework, for you, its not worth the bother."

That's fine, Yabby. Now at least you have made it clear that you never intended to discuss the issue seriously with me when you joined the discussion. I can certainly reciprocate.

Yabby wrote, "Those manufacturing industries which have changed with the times, doing specialised manufacturing, are generally doing fine in Australia. ...

"Australian manufacturing can thrive, just like Swiss, German, Japanese, Korean etc manufacturing industries do, ..."

You've said it all before, Yabby, over and over and over again. If it were not for the fact, as I have noted just above, that you are not interested in discussing this issue seriously with me, I would ask:

Don't you think it's time you contributed something new to this discussion?