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Tibetans' suicidal protest : Comments

By Gabriel Lafitte, published 19/3/2008

In Tibet there is a grim obsessiveness to China's refusal to learn anything from the past.

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Wow, this is a good one Boaz.

>>You are quite wrong... 'China' was a province of TIBET! The Tibetan Empire extended at one stage from Bhutan in the south to Mongolia in the north.. that makes China owned by TIBET!<<

From which year to which year was China a province of Tibet?

And where do you get the notion that this would validate the concept that China is "owned" by Tibet?

But I guess it was just an excuse to leap in with your second-favourite hate campaign, against the Chinese. And it is not a particularly edifying rant, either..

>>THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT... tryannical and despotic and ugly cruel vile forced low wages... theft of Australian and US jobs by forcibly keeping wages low, and mistreating workers.. by clearing people who are 'inconveniently' located where some arrogant power and money hungry well connected PIG who wants to extend his personal empire..<<

Have you any idea how the development of the Chinese economy has benefitted those low-paid, mistreated workers you refer to? In twenty years, over 400 million people have been lifted out of poverty. China now represents around 10% of world trade, which is highly appropriate for a country chock-full of extremely hard-working people.

What is your problem? I suspect that it has much to do with their being your competitors in business. Much as your problem with Islam stems from it being in competition with your own religion.

As for your rant against DialecticBlue:

>>If you live here and don't regard this as 'your country' (and adopt its culture and values...then.. LEAVE.<<

If you are seriously suggesting that Tibet owns China, who, in your enlightened view, "owns" Australia? And by definition, those who came here, and failed to adopt the prevailing culture and values, should leave?

Consistency never was your strong suit, Boaz.

I guess it never will be.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 20 March 2008 11:20:45 AM
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Dear friends,

a great article by someone who has the credentials and knowlege to comment and inform.

For myself, the old maxim...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink...applies. Regardless of all the economic statistics the PRC propaganda care to quote, at the end of the day if the PRC still won't hear it...they just can't let the Tibetan people go. The Tibetan people will never give up their country and their spirituality and the PRC Motherland will never become a true reality in their minds and hearts.

In reality, for the PRC it's obviously all about the strategic base for miltary reasons in the area and a land grab...the Tibetan people are unfortunately caught up in this and the world will continue to look on and watch the cultural genocide play out like a slow and painful disease.

But bullies don't last forever...and eventually the PRC will secum just as the Soviet Union and other strongholds become eroded with the internal capitalism exposing the younger generations to ever burgeoning materialsm.

Poor fellows all.
I support a boycott of the Olympic Games by Australia for both the sake of Chinese and Tibetan people. Though symbolic, it will mark the time of end of PRC as we know it.
Posted by Rachael Wass, Thursday, 20 March 2008 11:57:07 AM
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Pericles,

Thanks, from Mr DialecticBlue

Xiaosui does not have a background as a political voyeur, like her husband. It was very courageous of her to make that post. I think the current 'on-line' articles, and comments (mostly) on the issue are bringing out a new perspective.

It is always healthy to question our assumptions.
Posted by DialecticBlue, Friday, 21 March 2008 2:39:09 PM
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I'm in complete agreement with Boaz David's comments regarding Dielectic Blue's allegiances. Great advertisement for multiculturalism, eh? DB'c comments also echo the Han/PRC's (why do dictatorships feel compelled to incude the words "republic" and/or "democratic" in their titles when they are clearly anything but?) feelings towards Tibetans- they "should be thankful for everything we've done for them, the ungrateful sods".

I'm sure a lot of people around the world are questioning the wisdom of handing the Olympics to China. The Tibetans are canny in at least one thing- they picked a good year to bring world attention (once again) to their plight. Hopefully the matter will be kept "on the boil" right up to August, although one shudders at the cost to the Tibetan people.

The spin the PRC are putting on Tibet is laughable, if not pitiful. No Tibetan casualties (we haven't fired a shot!!), only Han Chinese. They must really think everyone but a Han Chinese is a complete idiot.
Posted by viking13, Sunday, 23 March 2008 10:56:16 AM
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"The recent protests mark the 49th anniversary of the Tibetan uprising of 1959 when anti-Chinese and anti-communist demonstrations erupted on the streets of Lhasa, and were put down by force.

Lhasa's three major monasteries - the Sera, Drepung and Ganden, were seriously damaged by shelling. The Dalai Lama was forced to flee into exile and the Tibetan government-in-exile estimates that 86,000 Tibetans died.

Less than a decade later, Mao's Cultural Revolution wrought havoc in the region and the Red Guards destroyed more than 6,000 monasteries and convents - just a handful survived.

Along with the buildings, hundreds and thousands of priceless and irreplaceable statues, tapestries and manuscripts were destroyed.

"At that time all the monasteries were destroyed. The whole country was changing during the revolution. The wave of change was unstoppable," says Dondrup, a 77-year-old monk at the Pel Kor Monastery in Gyantse.

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Every monastery and nunnery in Tibet is visited at least once every few weeks by a Communist Party official, who checks that the government rules and regulation are being correctly applied.

Butri, a Tibetan Communist Party cadre, explains: "I visit these temples once or twice a month. I tell them what to do and what not to do. They all listen and say nothing."

The government is also very careful whom it allows to become a monk. All novices have to go through a detailed vetting procedure which takes years to complete. Even their families are checked for any subversive background.

The Chinese government also restricts the number of monks and nuns. In fact, monasteries can no longer perform many of their rituals correctly because of a shortage of monks.

Tsultrim, the deputy head lama of the Pel Kor monastery in Gyantse, said at its peak the monastery was home to 1,500 monks. Today the Chinese government restricts numbers to no more than 80."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7307495.stm
Posted by Dr. Livingstone, Sunday, 23 March 2008 8:55:05 PM
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If Cronulla riot reported this way in other side of the world:

After two Arabic muslim were badly beated by a group of anglo racist in Cronulla, tens of thousands of people went to street to protest the racism peacefully ... heavily armed police blocked the road to Cronulla, nobody was allowed to go to beach and last journalist from muslim world was expelled ... hundreds of protestor were injured ... police ask protestor to surrender ... after the deadline, police will "Weed out extremists"...thousands of muslim are gathering in most surveillant street and mosque in Lakemba, silently pray for the coming storm ...

millions of people across the middle east countries go to street, ... emotional protestor called sanction to Australia , Ji* to Australia...

Chinese premier called Australian gov to "show restraint", lots of Chinese were not satisfied with this soft approchach.

CRUSADE is continuing ...

open your mind and report Redfern riot in your way...

Just for broadening your view
Posted by Centra, Sunday, 23 March 2008 11:18:23 PM
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