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Moving away from paternalism : Comments

By John Tomlinson, published 14/3/2008

2020 summit: the existing system of social security is inadequate, unjust and maintains people in poverty.

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The social security system should provide a safety net for citizens experiencing an incapacity to earn due to health/disability/unpaid care provision/lack of jobs and/or skills.
Are the rabid anti-welfareists happy to be excluded from access to social security? Would they apply their bile to their own lives when they get a terminal illness diagnosis or a child with a disability and high needs to care for? Those who generally do the poor old taxpayer rant are typically in the heyday of their earning capacity and would yell and scream if they had to swap places with those they are quite happy to judge and order around.
Posted by mog, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:38:17 PM
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Perhaps, “Asian friend” is being penalised on a public transport in situations where simply Anglo-Celtic/Saxon folks just take their foot from the benches-an end of story for them.

Surely, “xenophobia” is a better expression to use in this topic than “racism” linked usually with skin-appearance in Australia.

Country where people are paid for who they are rather than what they do, where speechifying particular accent rather than a sense of speech are the most is rolling straight to hell, and no paternalism helps to stop this Anglo-regression.

P.S. Spelling and grammar are checked as usual. Enjoy.
Posted by MichaelK., Thursday, 27 March 2008 6:04:57 PM
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Michael K,

The fact that you cannot even acknowledge that your english is not very good is an obvious pointer to why you want to blame Anglo Saxons for all the world's difficulties. You have no capacity for self examination or at least no ability to express it. I honestly can't even reply to your last point as I'm not sure exactly what you are getting at. All I can really tell is that you're angry and that it's somehow our fault.

Ask anyone who speaks english well for an honest appraisal of your written english. I don't think I am being unfair when I say that there is an awful lot of room for mistunderstanding.

As for being a published scientist, so am I and to tell the truth a lot of scientific literature is very poorly written. Maths is the only truly universal language. What is your first language?
Posted by Paul.L, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:46:16 AM
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Paull,

I do know that my English is far-from-perfect, and it is anyway much better than one of a million plus native speakers not able to read and write their native language at all.

A problem is that English is a tool for communicating, not a ground for already existing intellectualism, knowledge and professionalism Anglo-Saxon/Celtic institutional xenophobes deny in all outside their tribe, deploying a biological background as a very merit for elementary opportunities, employment is among them, in English-crown-overshadowed neo-feudal world.

However, your primitive, Dark Ages islander-style mentality hardly allows understanding of an issue properly because, in addition, some children that are born wealthy and privileged do not lord their advantages over others and believe that what is really a matter of chance was somehow their due.
Posted by MichaelK., Friday, 28 March 2008 12:55:25 PM
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Yvonne thanks for your affirmative statements

Regarding welfare“It is just enough to survive, but is still better than nothing. It's like treading water, having a go and swimming can be petrifying. Especially if you are responsible for children.”

It is sufficient then. The danger of providing more would encourage some to forego work for welfare. My ex wife threatened that and I told her she was stupid, for planning to structure her life around a poverty trap.

“Why not have real practical assistance in place that will help recipients change or improve skills?”

My understanding of unemployment payments (distinct from pensions) is they can be tied to undergoing training but it depends on the willingness of the recipient too.

“Both extremes and both inclined to favour the few who get in first with the right mob.”

Wrong. Communism presumes central ownership and management of all productive resources. Capitalism makes no such presumption. When most people are employed in small to medium businesses (as in Australia, Japan, USA etc) you can understand how capitalism devolves ownership of resources, decision making and avoids the inertia which comes with centralized power and control, including the sort of absolute power which corrupts absolutely.

I do and always have, favoured devolved authority and responsibility, I believe it produces better outcomes than centralized systems and works to spread opportunity and reward around, rather than favour the few.

Capitalism, through many smaller businesses, rather than monopolistic government run entities, reflects those attributes

“The few will create monopolies and give plausible sounding arguments why their monopoly is preferable”

We have anti monopoly statutes. It is up to government to enforce them. I was appalled when (socialist) Keating allowed the Myers / Coles and the Woolworth / Safeway mergers and relieved when Myers/Coles devolved again.

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“Negotiation is a romantic fantasy.” Not in my reality.

I negotiate every contract I undertake.

PaulL “blame Anglo Saxons for all the world's difficulties.”

Advise, of your adversary, who I will decline to name, since I vowed never to demean myself by acknowledging him,

Ignore the ignorant.

It is as pearls before swine.
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 28 March 2008 3:07:40 PM
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MichaelK,

You may be annoyed at Paul, but believe me when I say he has done you a favour by telling you what others haven't because they know you and/or don't want to hurt your feelings. Whilst you may not know it yet, Paul has been very kind by pointing out your weakness.

While it's hard to understand what you are saying, you appear to be downplaying the importance of being able to write English well. The truth is that in most occupations, high level writing skills are vital. If you ever have to write a formal letter, how is anyone going to take you seriously if it's poorly written? If you have to write memos, reports, emails, articles etc, it is highly important that you write well.

That's the reality. Someone who cannot write to a legible standard is not suitable to work in any professional capacity.

Another reality is that due to such a tight labour market existing today, employers simply cannot afford to discriminate on the basis of ethnic background. Indeed, the evidence is that the vast majority do not one single bit. The places I have worked have had Asians, Indians, Arabs and many other backgrounds.

Please don't think we are being nasty or cruel. We are simply being honest enough to tell you the truth. I know its easier to blame others for your lack of successes, but you have to seriously consider what we are saying, because it's the truth.

I hope that in time you are able to see this
Posted by AJFA, Friday, 28 March 2008 7:04:25 PM
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