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Moving away from paternalism : Comments

By John Tomlinson, published 14/3/2008

2020 summit: the existing system of social security is inadequate, unjust and maintains people in poverty.

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Paull,

I am not an Anglo-Sax but internationally acclaimed, accepted, skilled professional, with VALID Australian registrations, no second employed locally but upon years eating off YOUR(?) money because my biology does not allow being employed by local Anglo-lickers of their London-masters.

And I know of racist paternalistic Anglo-Saxon/Celtic neo-feudal, neo-nazi case-manager job-network-style local welfare-covered raping of inferior population not theoretically.
Posted by MichaelK., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 10:56:47 AM
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MichaelK,

Before assuming that any negative feedback you get might be racially based maybe you should understand that your written english is very bad. I don't know whether your spoken english is just as bad but if it is then I am not surprised you have had many difficulties in Australia. Between people who speak perfect english there is often room for misunderstanding. With english as bad as yours, misunderstandings are inevitable.

Grow up. We have a number of well integrated migrant communities in Australia which are not anglo saxon in origin.

You need to use smaller words that you actually understand to get your point across though I fear that even that might not be enough.

But good luck with it anyway.
Posted by Paul.L, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 11:54:58 AM
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paull,

My "bad English" is published in scientific and general magazines round a globe, an English-speaking world, and it is exactly-an attitude to English-as-second-language-people-, what Anglo-racism is, in Australia surely.

By a way, spell-checking is working well here.
Posted by MichaelK., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 8:01:21 PM
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Dear Paul,

you actually make a good point here. I once had an Asian friend who was quite bitter and thought he was always being discriminated against, but I knew that the real reason why was because his written English was poor and he spoke in broken English.

He couldn't work out why after finishing a Masters he was still working as a security guard. I actually can't work out how he ever got a Masters, but I guess that shows how seriously university standards have declined in Australia.

When you are Asian or Black, and you have difficulties, its udnerstandable that its very easy to blame in on racism. But that's the easy way out because it avoids you having to be self-critical and take responsibility for yourself. It's easier to be a victim than to actually be honest and help yourself.

Anyway, here's a nice story abt what happens when welfare is unconditional: http://awesternheart.blogspot.com/2008/03/behold-rise-of-parasite.html
Posted by AJFA, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 9:08:36 PM
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so, I'm black, well qualified, perhaps more than you, whats your excuse?

not bright enough?
Posted by Rainier, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 10:32:20 PM
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Col Rouge, liked your answer. Not much I disagree with.

I agree with you that the notion of 'the greater good' is lovely to bandy about when a gut feeling arises without a proper articulated argument. I can't remember having used that touchy feely idea myself.

From previous threads I also know that you have a horror of 'socialism' and link it directly to Lenin. I think it save to say that Lenin, though embalmed, is dead. So is communism.

In the last 80 years or so, the idea of social justice has engaged many thinkers. Not only the communists. It is something that many hard headed economists also use to justify their arguments.

The article points to the 'paternalism' inherent in our welfare system. It precisely creates all those qualities in individuals so loathed by most of us. Paternalism creates 'children' who constantly need to be cajoled and watched over. It is unbelievably degrading. You are not deemed or regarded to be an autonomous adult.

It is just enough to survive, but is still better than nothing. It's like treading water, having a go and swimming can be petrifying. Especially if you are responsible for children.

Is it reasonable that in a country like Australia there is no such thing as financial assistance of citizens who for a variety of reasons need it? Why do we see it as 'welfare' or 'handouts'? Why not financial assistance, until whatever the issue, is resolved? Why not have real practical assistance in place that will help recipients change or improve skills?

The paternalistic welfare system we have reduces recipients to financial poverty and creates childlike dependents.

Capitalism (with capital C) is on the opposite end of Communism. Both extremes and both inclined to favour the few who get in first with the right mob. The few will create monopolies and give plausible sounding arguments why their monopoly is preferable. Government monopolies or Business monopolies. The end result for most working tax paying people is the same. Negotiation is a romantic fantasy.
Posted by yvonne, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 10:12:36 PM
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