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Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration : Comments

By Meg Mundell, published 10/11/2005

Meg Mundell asks who decides who will be accepted as an Australian citizen and who won't.

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Silent

there is a need to distinguish between 'degrading remarks' and 'truthful warnings' when it comes to other religions and ethnic loyalties. Failure to make that distinction will result in tit for tat sloguneering and mud slinging match of apocalyptic proportions.

The way to identify 'degrading remarks' from the other, is to note the level of 'personal attack' found in the posters remarks. If you find 'name calling' such as 'racist/bigot/neanderthal/barbarian/Xenophobe/arrogant' and the such like, there is a pretty strong indication that the perpetrator of such remarks has little substance to their position.

There are other occasions when a person actually uses a considerable level of emotive language even including abuse, yet they also might have important information in their post. One such example was the Burns brothers. (M.S. BURNS) who spoke in a VERY "Redneck" way concerning some would be immigrants (mostly the illegal kind).

I put that aside, and examined the sources he disclosed, and found them to be from legitimate sources, some including those who would be pre-disposed towards an 'anti-howard' position. Yet they referred in well documented terms how assylum seekers of Christian background were declared 'scum/unclean/untouchable' etc by those of ..er shall we say 'another' religious persuasion. The small numbers of Christians were alienated, abused, beaten,sneered at, ostracized... in places like Baxter, all simply because they were 'Christian' among larger numbers of 'others'.

The idea that people would be coming to Australia with such attitudes against others is not something I relish. You can see that attitude on the faces of those who mercilessly beat and kicked the channel 7 cameraman outside the courtroom where recent terror suspects were being dealt with.

So, when it comes to immigrants, I have only one thing to say:

Australia chooses who comes here.
Australia determines the criteria of acceptability
Australia decides how many of any racial or religious background on the basis of"
1/ Social compatability
2/ Cultural cohesian
3/ Political stability.

Would you want any less for someone wishing to join your family ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 11 November 2005 4:51:21 AM
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Meg, statements from friends of friends, really does put you at the bottom of credibility. You've probably never been to Poor Augusta, listening to a taxi driver from a city, real common sense. Go away and take you politically correct friends with you. Everything you say is refuted by the facts, take a lesson in the current situation in the majority of European countries.

In Sweden, rape, robbery, assaults, mostly by muslim migrants has increased 600% in 5 years. Take a trip around real Europe, not your feel good airy fairy tours and speak to the people. You will see that much of Europe is on the verge of anarchy. Austria, Germany, are bringing in laws to remove all those that are not citizens and not employed. Why, simple immigrants are destroying the way of life and social fabric of the countries.

Meg, easy to see that you and your supporter's have no idea of what reality is. Why don't you go to Africa, or any country and see how well you are accepted racially. Write an article in Zimbabwe, Iran, Morocco, or any country about how you don't like their racist views and see what happens. Like all that have been given an easy ride here, you insult and ridicule us. Go back to your country that's collapsing under the racist tensions there.

Take your politically correct friends with you to the middle east and speak out against their racism, be sure to express your individuality by wearing short sleeves and a knee high dress. I'd love to see that.

But like all of your ilk, you say a lot of stupid things, without experience or understanding. You can't support your statements by actions or any evidence, that your approach works. You must be religious, uninformed, lacking experience or just can't see beyond the mirror in your head.

Yes Bronwyn, keep rocking the boat, until it sinks, typically politically correct. Lots of self righteous aims, but lack of reason, intelligence or substance. Note the unemployment rate of immigrant muslims here, then you'll see reality.
Posted by The alchemist, Friday, 11 November 2005 10:50:39 AM
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Thought provoking and gentle piece; and well supported by Bronwyn.

We may well be caught up in a mealstron of inter racial disharmony that goes on for quite some time. And you can point to France and Britain as much as you like. The States depsite the psuedo revolution of the sixties still is a nation divided.

The commn theme is usually represented as race where as the underlying reason is usually poverty and intolerance that simply feed off each o ther.

Much of what is being said today about our muslim friends and I am loathe to single them out but they seem to be the whipping boys this season was said albeit with less venom about the post war wave of immiggrants who came here - and the bulk of those were legal! as in fact so have most of those who floated here a while ago.

The current ferment of course is more intense. Little meaninfull efforts by our commonwealth leaders has done much to ameliorate that fact; circa Tampa they started the ball rolling and have been comfortable for many of us to keep kicking it along. We now have a parralel to the law btweenn two sides keen to seem as tough if not tougher than the other - a pre adolescent pissing contest if you like. ( or for those Americanophiles " if you will" ).

We do choose who comes here. We always have. We just stuff up the process of managing them. Very few come here hating our guts; but some of just have the knack of fostering hatred and suspicion.
Posted by sneekeepete, Friday, 11 November 2005 12:20:00 PM
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Davo mentions white shame:

Speaking of anecdotal stories, I was introduced to a tenant on my family land, she pointed out her aboriginal ancestors actually own my family farm. I proudly pointed out that I the was 4th generation of my family to live here, and my uncle actully owns the farm. I told her a little of our family values and traditions. The struggles over come by my grandfather after returning home from ww2 and now his sons to hold onto this land were and are immense.

In our hands this land has been protected from logging, sub-divisions and other nasties. I sincerely hope she left with some respect for my Australian culture in her heart.

Who does the Prime Minister mean when he says “we”? I naturally assume he means Australians, you seem to identify as a New Zealander, maybe you will integrate and maybe you won't. Just as some cultures integrate after a generation and some don't.

So as the Treasurer Costello and a few other posters on here suggest, you are free to leave if we Australians disgust you. We are free here to like and dislike according to our own discretion. Personally, I'd advise growing up a little, everyone white or black has some cross to bear, its what you make of your life.

You and I have no right to ask Australians to curtail to our specific needs. A lot of my lifestyle preferences and actual situations are of "minority" values and social positions. I have never felt the need to demand understanding and compensation for who I am. Playing the "victim" game, or getting on with life, it is up to you.

If you want to rebel against something take the advice of Alchemist, go to Iran in Bondi Beach national dress (joke). But seriously maybe help Australian girls who are victims of Islamic rape or work against the Asian sex slave and heroin trade… here are some areas where you will find real victims and real criminals black and white.
Posted by meredith, Friday, 11 November 2005 12:32:33 PM
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Bronwyn,

Your statement that I have been deliberately misleading is offensive. You will need to brush up on your people skills to have any success in your self-appointed role as arbiter of right and wrong.

“Most Australians don't know or want to know what is really going on under the guise of protecting their borders.”

I suppose you have evidence for this sweeping statement, Bronwyn, or is it just an expression of your contempt for all those awful Australians out there who don’t share the views and self-hatred of you and your little elitist clique?

The eight countries you claim are the only ones who put a quota on refugees at least put out the sign that they are willing to accept some refugees. Other countries don’t show that willingness.

The countries you say “admit” more refugees do not do so willingly. They are swamped by people who simply turn up, and they don’t have the facilities or strength of character to insist on orderly programmes as does the Australian Government on behalf of the people who have given them three terms in office.

You obviously don’t know much about geography either, Bronwyn. Australia is indeed sparsely populated, but only because two-thirds of the continent is uninhabitable.

We all have different opinions on this site. But anyone who can describe those who disagree with her as something that “might crawl out and attack you on these pages” – as you did in your first post – is demonstrating the likelihood that she might not be a very nice person; and Ms. Mundell, not herself an abusive person in her writing, might very well be embarrassed to have a supporter like you
Posted by Leigh, Friday, 11 November 2005 12:53:21 PM
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I went to Europe and I had to stand in a different line to other people at customs, and sometimes I have to get visas when they don't, something about an EU or whatever, but just like me they weren't citizens of the country that we were entering. Discrimination, boo hoo...
Posted by HarryC, Friday, 11 November 2005 1:50:39 PM
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