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The Forum > Article Comments > Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration > Comments

Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration : Comments

By Meg Mundell, published 10/11/2005

Meg Mundell asks who decides who will be accepted as an Australian citizen and who won't.

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AAron,
Obviously you are even more terrorising, destructive and confrontational than JH.
Posted by Philo, Sunday, 20 November 2005 7:24:00 PM
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Probably, but it WILL work.

Remove the individual from the group, and they once again fear the ramifications of their actions.

Individuals feel fear, stress, and concern. Individuals are normally VERY careful not to offend other individuals.

This may indeed give pause to those who intend to give effect to the anti-worker agenda. They, and their families will be placed at risk, when they place employees' and their families at risk of economic ruin, ce la guerre.
Posted by Aaron, Sunday, 20 November 2005 8:31:24 PM
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To Swilkie.

Oh, that's cute. I write a 300 word article using group psychology to explain why racism is instinctive behaviour, and you just ignore it pretend that it means something else. I presume that since you could not fault the logic in my explanation, then pretending that my post was nothing more than a definition of racism was your last resort position.

If you claim that racism is entirely learned behaviour, then the onus is upon you to write a 300 word article explaining why you think your extraordinary assumption is correct.

If you chicken out, then you will look like a fool who maks claims that he has no basis for and which you can not substantiate.

C'mon boy. You may not be able to find any way to fault my post but I am looking forward to tearing your logic to bits.

Please hurry up. I can't wait.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 21 November 2005 6:07:58 PM
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There seems to be a lot of rampant racism in this thread.

Oh yes, it would be so much easier to be racist. But in doing that, I would be succumbing to Liberal party's desire to become intolerant and scared so that I submit my basic freedoms in order for "protection".

They will then be yet another step closer to their sick ideology of total control.

Boaz,
You constantly claim to be this moral Christian yet you whole-heartedly support a political party who locked desperate immigrants away for years (including children).

While I agree that we can't just let anyone into the country, the Howard government for a long time there was behaving in an inhumane way by imprisoning desperate people for an unnecessarily long period of time.

The classic case was Peter Qasim (finally freed after 7 years).

Amanda "The Hutt" Vanstone claimed that he had inconsistencies in his case; hence they would not release him. But the only inconsistencies were petty things such as the spelling of the town he came from in Kashmir. But you have to remember, not only are the literacy skills of these people sometimes limited, but in places like that they rarely have the need to write the name of their own town. That on top of many other factors such as broken English created a mish-mash story. Now he requires psychiatric care.

...and you support these psychos!
Posted by Mr Man, Monday, 21 November 2005 10:58:20 PM
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There sure is plenty of racism on this thread, Mr Man. What’s wrong with that? Racism is, and always has been, normal behaviour and a cultural universal. Could I remind you that the racist joke is a cultural universal and it always has been? Archaeologists even found racist jokes about Roman soldiers chiselled into a Carthaginian temple to Baal in Libya. The Romans themselves had a racist term for British people, “Britanculi”, (Wretched little Brits). How racism has been elevated by people like you into the Eighth Deadly Sin is beyond me.

Now a feature of racism is the denigration of a group of people through stereotyping and pre judgement. Could I point out to you that your own attack upon the Liberal Party is a perfect example of that, and therefore a form of racism itself. You are claiming that Liberals are “sick” “psychos” who possess negative character traits like total intolerance and inhumanity. You also openly claim that the Liberals are scheming to install a dictatorship thereby possessing “total control.”

Now substitute the words “Jew” or “Nigger” in your rant for “Liberals”, and where is the difference between your view and that of any other racist who elevates his own group by denigrating other groups?

I would also take you to task for your erroneous claim that the Liberal Government is acting reprehensibly by locking people up. This country is a democracy and governments who wish to stay in power must take into account the views of the people. It is clear that Australians simply do not trust the Labor Party with immigration issues. Because they know that Labor would cheerfully flood this country with Muslim terrorists as long as those terrorists voted Labor.

Your beef is with the Australian people, not John Howard. Please attack the Australian people with the same sneery arguments that you use on the Liberals, so that the Australian electorate can return the complement by giving you and you ilk two fingers full of righteous indignation in response.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 4:46:22 AM
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Mr Man
I need to address a couple of issues raised in your colorful post.

First and most important,-if I've created the impression that "I" am a 'moral Christian' I've not acheived my primary goal, which is to point readers to Christ rather than 'me'. I don't see myself as anything other than a sinner, probably worse than the regular variety as my knowledge of Christs teaching is based on considerable study and experience.

In this regard, I rejoice that salvation is not by 'works' but by grace. Undeserved kindness from a forgiving God, due to Christs self sacrifice for us. "He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities" and.. "all we like sheep have gone astray, and the Lord has laid on him, the iniquity of us all". (Isaiah 53)

So, please don't look at 'me' as anything other than a messenger or a signpost. (perhaps a signpost which has a few blotches of mud on it splashed from the passing cars of lifes struggles)

Next, that I 'support this government'. To a degree, as the lesser of 2 evils. I support some of their policies and others I find abysmal. I don't vote 'coalition' directly, I will vote for a party like FF until they become untenable by virtue of policy.

Peter Qasim. I have serious questions. I find it noteworthy that folk like yourself and others supporting freeing so called assylum seekers also view it in a very 'western' way. (i.e. nuclear family only) Speaking as someone who is connected to a vast extended family in Borneo, the first question that came into my mind about Peter and establishing his 'statehood' is.... uncles and aunties. i.e. extended family. The idea that his mother and father were only children and he also, and all the grandparents only children, is a little difficult to believe. He would readily be able to identify MANY relatives if he chose to do so.

Finally, the logical place to 'flee to' if on the Indian side of Kashmir, is the Muslim side.. not some obcure island in the Torres straight.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 6:42:46 AM
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