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The Forum > Article Comments > Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration > Comments

Sorry to rock the boat: an immigrant’s take on immigration : Comments

By Meg Mundell, published 10/11/2005

Meg Mundell asks who decides who will be accepted as an Australian citizen and who won't.

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Yes I was wrong redneck: when i said I said we I should have said some of us; and soon there will be more of us.
The melding together of historically disparate groups to celebrate Australia's win over Uruguay is an example of how multiculturalism represents a strength and not a weakness as so many suggest.
Olay Olay Olay oLay oolaaay olaaaaay!
Posted by sneekeepete, Friday, 18 November 2005 8:21:08 AM
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For all his faults, at least our eponymous redneck acknowledges (indeed, celebrates) his racism. In my opinion, that makes him less insidious than others who deny that their ideas are racist, even though they repetitively post drivel such as Boaz has above.

What I find interesting is that many of the racists among us are managing to shift the objects of their prejudice from the biological ("race") to the social ("religion"). That is, although their prejudice is now directed towards adherents of a religious ideology rather than members of so-called races, it is expressed in structurally very similar terms and means to the ways in which 20th century racists peddled their execrable agenda.

The worst racists, IMHO, are those who deny their racism. Unfortunately, I suspect that many Australians fall into that category.
Posted by mahatma duck, Friday, 18 November 2005 8:29:14 AM
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Aaron,
Since you know PM JH has violated our constitution then you have a responsibility to bring this to the attention of the Governor General. Sir John Kerr acted on advice 30 years ago to dismiss a corrupt Government who was acting illegally and against the interests of Australia. The Governor General is there to protect the Constitution; so I suggest you grab a Constitutional Lawyer and bring it to the attention of the GG.

Oh! I see! You are a coward. Just use verbal denegration but have no case. Thought so
Posted by Philo, Friday, 18 November 2005 1:52:15 PM
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Thank you David Boaz, but I would like to clarify a point which you appear to think is my position.

The primary controlling force in human behaviour is culture. People are not born knowing right from wrong. Those concepts are inculcated into us by our parents, teachers, peers, religious and community leaders, and by the role models provided by society. Such people are primarily concerned with teaching children that they can never be accepted in any society unless they can learn to repress their natural desire to be entirely selfish. Unselfish and especially altruistic acts by individuals are applauded in every society. Conversely, ruthless selfishness and arrogant egotism is universally despised by every culture as manifestations of evil.

Concepts of right and wrong and socially acceptable behaviour can differ to an extraordinary degree. Cultures have existed which sanctioned human sacrifice, cannibalism, slavery, suttee and thuggee. It is impossible to understand the behaviour of any group, clan, class, nation or people unless one can appreciate their culture, and the underlying rationale that sanctions that behaviour.

But human beings are not simply machines which obey cultural programming. They are biological entities who’s behaviour can also be greatly influenced by their instincts. This instinctive behaviour is governed by genetics. It is now accepted by the courts of advanced nations that some people are not fully in control of themselves. Extremely violent people are known to exist who appear to be intrinsically violent. Such people have successfully convinced courts that their criminality is primarily a biological problem, and these people can be treated leniently by judges who may recommend psychiatric or medical treatment instead of incarceration.

But once the idea that biology can influence the behaviour of some people to a very marked degree is accepted and understood, then the obvious question is. Why are some ethnicities and races so prone to violent criminal behaviour? Is it nature or is it nurture? Or is it both?
Posted by redneck, Friday, 18 November 2005 5:11:36 PM
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Redneck

Thanks for your last post. I found it quite thought provoking - much more than Mundell's article.

Cheers
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Friday, 18 November 2005 6:05:05 PM
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sorry Philo,

i would absolutely love to mate, however I feel that it is probably unjudiciable.

I do intend to bring it to the attention of all persons who have some influence on Barnaby. Indeed at the present time, I am in discussion with several accountants that I am aquainted with, trying to find out what presses an accountants buttons, and I AM reliably informed that it is numbers, not argument or rhetoric.

Consequently Philo, I am in search of numbers that an accountant can use to tell a story.

That would be seriously amusing, as i understand from your post that you too understand the events of 1975, you will understand the importance of a single senator from Queensland.
Posted by Aaron, Friday, 18 November 2005 6:10:13 PM
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