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Knowing when to say 'sorry' : Comments
By Russell Marks, published 11/2/2008The overarching aim of a national apology is to set the nation on a path of healing.
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Posted by Rainier, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 7:03:30 PM
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Most of the posters in favour of apology(metaphorical prostration) can barely string two words together. BOAZDavid's post is complete drivel! HuffnPuff should learn to write before trying to conjure an opinion.
Is there anyone out there with a brain? Posted by Bill02, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 7:22:46 PM
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Re Sorry Times for Aust
I see that Michael of make-my-own-passport - &- fly- to-Libya fame has surfaced again. A sure sign there is some bitching to be done! My prediction: When the PR mob have had their choreographed crowd scenes run & re-run to primetime & school time audiences... When the pollies have had their personal Epiphanies and exhausted all their platitudes ... When the high powered lawyers have pegged their claims & converted their (taxpayer funded) fees into oeanside apartments... You and me and Jackie in the Kimberley’s will be still where we are now - though probably a lot more disillusioned, & lot more divided. Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Makes some trenchant comments. They should be required reading for all -esp. wantabe states-persons Posted by Horus, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 7:25:24 PM
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Well i guess we are all allowed to have a voice here
FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS ....... WE WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN Just letting you all know out their i will still fight on for all us Forgotten Australians , So for you out their that have and except the fact that we were to be allowed to be raped and abused in these. Orphanages,Homes,Instittutions,Churh Homes,Girls Homes,Boys Homes, Remand Centres.That the goverment of australia had control of. Of which were all States of Australia, and that of the A.C.T. And The Northern Terrioty. So i guess Bill02 You are in favour of the predators that did some of the most sickest things against children ,in these institutions , And yes i do know what i am speaking about .Imagine it my brian is bigger than yours ,Because ive got Guts To Speak Out. At Least Sorry Is Bieng Said, Least Mr.Rudd Kept that part of the Goverments Hope. Now To Still Continue For The FORGOTTEN AUSTRLIANS. SORRY ALL OUT THEIR Regards (HUFFNPUFF) Micheal A REAL VICTIM OF THE FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS WE ALL SUFFERED IN THESE INSTITUTIOAL HOMES AND OUT-OF-HOME CARE. IS THIS SET OUT PLAIN ENOUGH FOR THE HIPPERGRITS AND THOSE WHO PROTECT THE PERPERTRATORS OF THE ABUSES WE SUFFERED. Posted by huffnpuff, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 9:21:07 PM
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I note that a number of posters claim that the Stolen Generations do not exist!! I've posted a short summary of the historical record at:
http://www.blognow.com.au/russellmarks/82893/The_Stolen_Generation_-_Some_Historical_Observations.html Bolt’s historical method seems to be quite influential. He rejects all the legislation (which authorised child removal on the basis of race) and all the official contemporary reports (which described that removal), by hitting on a formula which seems infallible: Name ten children “stolen” (not merely “removed”) from their parents for purely (not just incidental) racist reasons. Attempts by various historians and other professionals to do so have been dismissed, as Bolt then injects another limitation: only official records can be relied upon (a la Windschuttle), as testimony by victims cannot be relied upon (because memory is imperfect). The official records, of course, list hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of names – most of which are merely recorded as “Daisy, aged about 13, from Point McLeay”, and a date. To some names are attached medical reports, which detail what appears, from the present century, to be sexual or other physical abuse. These reports are “proof” for Bolt that these children were actually “neglected”, just as they are now. He ignores the majority of children’s names who don’t have medical reports attached to them, as there is no evidence that they weren’t abused. He certainly ignores evidence which suggests that “neglect” was euphemistic. Let’s compare this with an historian’s method. An historian would begin with the legislation and the contemporary reports, as well as other contemporary sources, such as newspapers, letters, etc. The historian would keep in mind that the period between the late nineteenth century and the 1950s were, in western societies, high-water marks for racialist thought, and would also be aware of who was writing those “official” records. (The historian would not simply assume a White=Bad, Black=Good dichotomy; but s/he would be alert for a possible bias in the records.) Nor would the historian accept a Written=Good, Oral/Memory=Bad dichotomy, as the anti-apologists (and that Marxist revolutionary-turned-Quadrant editor, Windschuttle): written documents can conceivably be biased, and oral testimony can conceivably be accurate. Posted by RussellMarks, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 9:52:18 PM
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Kevin Rudd, as Opposition Leader commenced to raise the issue about the homeless, and this was after I wrote to all federal parliamentarians that paupers and lunatics are in fact a federal responsibility as I stated” on the other hand it shows that the Commonwealth of Australia within Subsection (xxvii) as to immigration does have legislative powers to control not just the movement of aliens but also that of the "paupers" and "lunatics".
It also means that the Commonwealth of Australia would have other duties and obligations regarding the "paupers" and "lunatics" where it legislate in regard of them.”. As such it is commendable that Kevin Rudd then took up the plight of the homeless. However, when it came to the intervention against Aboriginals in the Northern Territory that it is unconstitutional, then Kevin Rudd ignores this and his “SORRY” is hollow. So many people are on about “sorry” as if this is some quick fix solution to the ongoing rape, alcohol usage, violence, etc that has been going on for decades, irrespective of what any Government may have done. Just use the “stolen generation” to blame everything on it rather then to simply treat Aboriginals as humans equally as any other Australian. After all, the real issue is not the saying of sorry, the pumping of billions of dollars into communities that nevertheless has nothing to show for it but rather the solution will be to treat Aboriginals, half–cast and whomever as equal and provide for all in an equal manner. Equality in education, health care, and other provisions and likewise so equality in responsibilities! And, the latter is generally lacking. History is littered with invadersall over the world, having robbed people of their rights. I do not seek to condone this whatsoever, but this made the world for better or worse what we are now. Saying sorry or handing out money isn’t going to do it we all (including the Aboriginals) must accept we are all equal and live accordingly! Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:35:29 AM
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I'll be thinking about you tommorrow as well as my own mob.
Apology accepted.