when to say sorry ,
MR RUDD ,be better to say sorry for everything then their would be no more need to apoligize to anyone or anything , so say sorry to the forgotten austrlians , ,thats my request

i know you all have a problem with me asking of that but we are all human , and if any of you were raped as a child you would be asking the same a real victim of the forgotten australians
regards micheal (huffnpuff)

THE BEST APOLOGY.......

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.James 2:14

TRUE "SORRY"
8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."

9Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house,....

WORDS don't mean a lot by themselves. Actions speak much louder.

Aboriginal stockment.. servants.. Blacktrackers ...ALL unpaid aboriginals who's services benefited their white monsters..(oops.. I mean masters) should be paid, with full interest over the full period of time from then until now, to them or their descendants..and if there are no descendants, it should be paid to a charitable trust benefitting Aboriginals......

BY THOSE (or the descendants of) who kept the money... or failing that, by the State Governments.

It's not 'when' to say sorry..its HOW it is said and done.

In my wifes language they have NO WORD for 'thanks'... because it is an 'action' only.

TRAGEDY.... the fact that the 'sorry' industry is basically a politicization of a historic incident, which was designed to bring down a government...in my view. There is a HECK of a lot more to be 'sorry' about than just the so called stolen generation.
We should ALSO have a 'sorry' day for the Maoris who were deceived into signing the 2 version Treaty of Waitangi..and for the white capitalists who, in direct infringment of it, called for 'massive white settlement' in NZ.

RussellMarks writes:

(the Commonwealth didn't even have the constitutional power to legislate "with respect to" Indigenous people until 1967);

Naturally this lack of constitutional power did not stop the hypocritical liars of the Commonwealth from undertaking all these illegal actions after it took over the NT from South Australia.

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http://www.reference.com/browse/all/sorry

As one can see, the word 'sorry' has a great varied meaning...so by itself saying sorry is a meaningless act...no different to 'striking a pose' in the public attention as tony abott put it so it may go down in history...http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/yes-to-heal-the-generations/2008/02/11/1202578691513.html

Does sorry have any meaning to the aboriginals whom died and community disrupted by first settlers who then claimed terra nullis for a legal benefit to do away for a treaty like New Zealand maoris...no...but I expect they understood the concept of conquered by a superior force as it happened within themselves...however since then an aboriginal being treated any different to any other member of the community brings a separate issue...

As of 1970's the infant motality rate of an aboringinal child was the highest in the world...yep...that says something...we deal with 'self interests persons/groups' disrupting the balance of things for their benefit constantly...but here there was almost no balancing force against this almost genocidal proportion on aboriginal children...until increasingly good people could not follow or abide by the official silence and broke rank...brought it to public attention and since it has been improving...

bottom line....if 'sorry' is for allowing an 'imbalancing force' to wreck diruption to destruction on them...I totally agree with this for it also implies that we will 'cowboy up' quickly to act against such forces in the future...now that is meaningful to all members of this wonderful country and its varied and integrated community...

Sam

There were a couple of comments on stockmen's pay. As I understand it, up to 1967 aboriginal stockmen were well regarded and had high self-esteem, their arrangements were mutually beneficial. Once stockowners were legally required to pay them the same as non-aboriginal staff, it became cheaper to use light aircraft and helicopters than employ those stockmen. An effective, functioning arrangement was destroyed, perhaps with good intentions but certainly with no understanding. So the stockmen weren't deprived of full wages - it was low wages or nothing. The consequences of the 1967 decision seem to have been disastrous for many aboriginals and aboriginal communities. Even with good volition, acting in ignorance can be very harmful. What will the impact of tomorrow's apology be? Will it lead to better outcomes for aboriginals? Will it entrench victimhood and chasing compensation rather than getting on with life? I've never been much for symbolism, I do favour evidence-based policy.

I notice the old blow fly Leigh got the first comment up here and set the tone for yet another brian draining debate between the 'enlightened' and the social and cultural neaderthals.

God help us!