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Humans do not need to comfort themselves with fairy tales : Comments

By Kelly O'Connor, published 1/2/2008

Atheism is not the destruction of the quest for meaning - it is the necessary starting point for the journey.

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Gibo

Many people, including many atheists, love and respect the environment; this wonderful and amazing planet. Many people, including many atheists, work tirelessly on ecological, charitable and other altruistic causes. We, atheists simply don't need a belief in some superior deity to live and revere life - I think this is what religious have such difficulty with; that we can be compassionate, even spiritual without a supernatural belief system.

In other words, we do good because we want to, not because we think it will gain us some after life.

So listen to your bible recording all you want, Gibo - it doesn't make you a good or decent human being - just a superstitious one.
Posted by Johnny Rotten, Friday, 1 February 2008 1:08:12 PM
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Time over, atheists such as the individual writing your arguments on critical reflection of the concept of 'God' associate the belief with arguments about the religion. Christianity is not the basis of war!, the majority of world's millions of christians are peaceful and encouraging human beings. The individuals who you talk about in your article are in fact extremists looking for a banner under which to claim their fight. I am sure if you bothered to research your information you would find that just as many Christians as Atheist would be against the sort of extreme violence you comment on. The fact that you have bothered to refer to Dawkins in your article highlights the quality of your research, or should I say lack of research, many books, and refutations have been written of which Dawkins refuses to challenge.

The answers to life are not handed to us on a 'silver platter', being a Christian often raises more questions than anyone could ever answer, rather it is a lifelong journey where one does formulate own self concepts needs and morals. It's known as free will, the one thing God gave all of us.

Further my worldview would still be the same even if I werent christian, so yet another flaw in the article.

As far as examining myself, I am required to do it more so as a Christian than as a person with no internal social controls or desires,

True religion doesnt dehumanise those with different beliefs, instead it offers those with different beliefs, love and support and hope of internal change, your argument here is also flawed.

Your claims about global church aid requiring participation in the churches doctrines and practices is an appauling one, some of the worlds most generous churches, show God's love through giving, WITHOUT REQUIREMENT, again propoganda is no replacement for research,

your choices of 'Information' fail to justify your cause, Atheism is what it always has been, propganda produced by the misinformed.

Try researching a little better and you might just believe yourself
Posted by Ryaninsa, Friday, 1 February 2008 2:13:06 PM
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Some interesting observations Ryaninsa.

>>...being a Christian often raises more questions than anyone could ever answer, rather it is a lifelong journey where one does formulate own self concepts needs and morals. It's known as free will...<<

How than can you tell a Christian from an atheist?

You see both as wrestling with the questions, formulating their own "self concepts needs and morals", using their own free will. How do you then differentiate between them?

>>Further my worldview would still be the same even if I werent christian...<<

Same question. How are you then different, if you reach the same destination, whether you journey as a Christian or as an atheist?

>>As far as examining myself, I am required to do it more so as a Christian than as a person with no internal social controls or desires<<

How so? You have already pointed out that both are using the same toolsets, i.e. their own free will, unhindered by any preconceptions or preconditions. How does that equate to the need for you to do more self-examination than an atheist, who has no external doctrine to use as a guide?

>>True religion doesnt dehumanise those with different beliefs, instead it offers those with different beliefs, love and support and hope of internal change<<

Hmmmm, I think you had better check this with Boaz. Last I heard, he was absolutely convinced that Islam is a factor in dehumanization...

>>Atheism is what it always has been, propganda produced by the misinformed<<

Atheism does not proselytise, and is therefore supremely uninterested in propaganda.

Check it out.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 1 February 2008 3:05:33 PM
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You missed it Johnny R.
I said The Holy Spirit confirms the truth of Gods Word. So many people come unstuck when it comes to Gods Spirit. They simply cant seem to get their minds around the vastness of God that He sends His Spirit to hundreds of millions of christian believers and that The Holy Spirit is living in each one doing what is needed in each one to bring them to holiness (proper loving living).
Its true that the athiest can have some feeling for the Creation but he cant love it with the passion of Gods Spirit.
The major problem today seems to be the third world countries. They are bent on destroying everything in order to get what we got, by destroying what we destroyed, to get what we have.
And all the while we are still destroying whats left of what we originally came to destroy, just to get more. Asia is killing the world at the moment. China is gobbling up everything everywhere...and theres too many of them to stop it and they are not listening to sense or wisdom as they devour. Thats why God Will soon stop it. The Book of Revelation is all about that stopping.
Posted by Gibo, Friday, 1 February 2008 3:26:22 PM
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Gibo. We got what we got, by exploiting the "third world".

Hence why you enjoy such a good life! Now the "third world" is demanding payment for what you got!
Posted by Kipp, Friday, 1 February 2008 3:53:02 PM
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And so say all of us........onya Kelly well done
Posted by maracas, Friday, 1 February 2008 7:25:33 PM
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