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Passing harsh judgment on people we liked : Comments

By Tim Kroenert, published 1/2/2008

Just ask any Aussie environmentalist how it felt to watch Peter Garrett join the Labor Party, then studiously toe the party line.

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I thought about this very subject 2 years ago whilst in Alice Springs sitting in air conditioned comfort listening (along with the faithful hanging onto every word) to Tim Flannery promote his new book "The Weather Maker". His message - current society had to cut back on carbon emmissions now to save the planet. He then left to go straight to the airport to board a jet and go to another air conditioned auditorium to deliver the same message on his whirlwind tour to promote his book for profit.

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy?
Posted by tragedy, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 12:00:25 PM
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"Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy?"

Yes, I think you could be, Tragedy.

Did you expect Flannery to travel by camel-cade or billy-cart to Alice Springs?

And would you have attended the forum had it been conducted in the midday sun?

And do you know anyone else who has published and distributed a book at his/her own expense?

The positive aspect of Tim Flannery's far flung travels, taken for an urgent cause, has, like Al Gore's similar travels, drawn attention to climate change and as a result, many people are endeavouring to reduce their carbon footprint.

Flannery has written over 100 peer-reviewed papers.

Parts of Australia along with several of its eco systems are now threatened or have become extinct. That's also part of Flannery's message and that message is scientific. Why pass such harsh judgment on the man?
Posted by dickie, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 5:14:05 PM
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tragedy

The problem is these men believe their own lies. In 10 years time (or maybe less) we will be laughing at how so many could be so gullible by listening to these prophets of doom.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 5:36:45 PM
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Runner

Perhaps in "10 years time or less" we may all be laughing at the gullibility of the disciples of your "Prophet of Doom" - disciples who also believe their own lies about supernatural deities and deny the myriad of scientific evidence produced by mere mortals.

You know that Prophet...the one disciples believe threatens fire and brimstone for the disbelievers though he/she remains mute and invisible and is unable to provide any links to substantiate the power of the threats or proof of his/her existence?

I believe Runner, you refer to him/her as the "Almighty?"

Therefore Runner, judge not harshly or you too will be judged!
Posted by dickie, Thursday, 7 February 2008 12:46:39 AM
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Dickie

"Did you expect Flannery to travel by camel-cade or billy-cart to Alice Springs?"

No I would have expected that if you were going to spruik about reducing carbon emmissions you might lead by example. Eg in today's technologically advanced world, why didn't Flannery forsake the flying around Australia and the world and use the internet from his energy-saving house to promote his ideas and lecture the world on how to live according to the gospel of Timmy?

"And do you know anyone else who has published and distributed a book at his/her own expense?"

The last time I looked at my copy of "The Weather Makers" Flannery was not the publisher nor the distributor. In fact the publisher introduced him at Alice Springs and said how proud she was to publish his book.

"Flannery has written over 100 peer-reviewed papers"

Flannery has not written over 100 peer-reviewed papers on climate change.

"Parts of Australia along with several of its eco systems are now threatened or have become extinct"

Which parts of Australia have become extinct? As far as I know Aust is still the same shape as when Flinders first mapped it. What a bizarre claim.

I pass harsh judgment on Flannery, Dickie because its all about big selfish dollars. Flannery wants to make as much money for himself, fair enough, but why is it alright for him to emit lots of carbon doing it while he demands everyone else curb their ways?

And don't get me started on Gore.
Posted by tragedy, Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:33:09 PM
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"I pass harsh judgment on Flannery, Dickie because its all about big selfish dollars. Flannery wants to make as much money for himself, fair enough, but why is it alright for him to emit lots of carbon doing it while he demands everyone else curb their ways?"

This is a ridulous claim, tragedy. If Flannery was motivated by money, he'd be an 'environmental' consultant to a mining company or in some other lucrative private sector position. Same goes for Al Gore. They are driven by the knowledge they possess and a strong sense of civic duty. And the rest of us are better off for it.
Posted by Bronwyn, Thursday, 7 February 2008 4:10:33 PM
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