Leigh and plersdus are two of the deluded creatures who think the TAMPA was a good thing that maintained our refugee program when nothing could be further from the truth. Howard's stupid plan broke the law, destroyed lives, perverted the government's of Pacific countries and breached their constitutions and cost stupid clowns like you $3 billion to implement here and there.

98% of the asylum seekers are here as permanent residents now and most of them are already citizens. I don't know how many times you two need to be told that our refugee program is a sick and expensive hoax but I will wade once more into the fray.

It is voluntary, it is nothing to do with the refugee convention and almost none of the people brought to Australia were refugees in the first place as they had been quite safe for as long as 20 years in third or fourth nations under the protection of other governments. According to the convention we stupid mugs pay to have them jump the non-existent queue.

The TAMPA was just one symbol of the cruel and deranged policies Howard ran and should be condemned instead of applauded by you two twits.

Belly, you may be right OK? But then you just never know. Perceptions of Howard went from master pollie to feather duster in no time flat. I'll suggest it again as a possible scenario: what if even a moderate wage breakout leads to more interest rate rises leads to an increase in unemployment of even 2%?

Maybe the Libs. will implode, or maybe the perceptions we're being fed in the media about this are wrong? Just as they were about Costello? I can claim bragging rights on that score as I've been saying for years that Pete just didn't really want the top job, as his half-@rsed attempt last year demonstrated.

Then again Belly, parties have been known to get elected saying one thing, and once elected do something else altogether. Fraser was a champion at this , but was easily bettered by the 180 degree turn around by Hawkie in such things as economic Liberalism and privatisation. We'll see how Kev stacks up in good time.

"Forward with Fairness" otherwise known as WorkChoices Lite is arguably further to the right than Howards IR position in 1996, and way to the right of a Libs. dreams in the late '70's. I'll say it again, Howard will be seen as the hands down winner in this area in 10 years time.

Leigh: "I'm a complete arsehole"

For once I agree completely with you, although I probably wouldn't have used that terminology in public :)

Well he'll be arriving(not) at the 'pearly gates' with much blood on his hands - that's for sure.

He doesn't understand anything at all about the story of Christ. If he had he certainly wouldn't have been so willing to join the coalition of the killing. He's the kind of person that makes me feel ashamed to be human.

Marilyn Shepherd and CJ Morgan. The voices of the ALP.The True Believers!
You couldn't invent such a duo, no brain could manage such a feat.But how well they fit together, a perfect match.

mickijo

That's such a brilliant rejoinder. I bet it took you the whole weekend to 'think' it up.

Now moving right along...