"Fellow Human" ’s and some others’ posts testify to my already expressed in Internet forums opinion, that Iranian president should be awarded for speaking out what only those who WANT to be deaf pretend not knowing:

<The Jews of Israel were provoked time and again for no reason: what was the cause for the pogrom (massacre) against the Jews of Hebron in 1929? what provoked those shouts of "Itbah Al Yahud"? why was the state of Israel attacked from the moment it was created in 1948 despite the fact that the Jews peacefully accepted the U.N resolution to grant them only a very small portion of the land? why was Israel attacked again in 1967 and 1973?
- the only explanation is blind hatred combined with the belief
that there was an opportunity to finish off the Jews.>
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 6 November 2005 2:16:59 PM

And not much different attitudes are demonstrated towards local Jews in Australia on terms of “mainstream activities” and employment opportunities.

So, at least this could hardly sustain pre-anti-terror-legislation hysteria spread by particular politicians

Fellow_Human, I have no problem answering your questions:

Firstly, Ben Gurion was far from being my favourite hero: he was the head of a socialist party and his ideology and methods were akin to the Bolshevik Soviets. Whatever hideous tactics he had in his mind, unknown to the public in his time, I cannot tell since he kept those thoughts private. Even if this was true, it takes two for Tango, so there is still the question why Egypt took the bait, wished to fight to destroy Israel and remained involved in this war that was anything but "fast".

To your questions:

1. The borders of Israel should be the 1949-1967 borders (as agreed between Israel and and Arab states in Rodos, 1949 - despite the Arabs having not once violated that agreement). Israel must withdraw to those borders once it is proven safe to do so, and until such time, Israel should withdraw from any parts of the occupied territories that are not required for strictly security reasons and should not allow Israeli civilians to enter the rest.

2. I accept a Palestinian state if that's what Palestinians want - but I suspect that most of them will regret it.

3. Just a small fussy and insubstantial correction: the settlers have only been around since 1975-1976, eg. 29 years - not 50. The years 1967-1976, and even a bit after until those settlers gained momentum and started provoking the Arab population (which BTW rarely used the term "Palestinian" until then), have been the best ever for Palestinians: they were far happier and prosperous under pre-settler Israel than previously under Jordan and Egypt and afterwards under Arafat. So my answer is clearly a no: I do not support those policies you mentioned.

As to your "elephant" argument: Israel will only be secure when its last child be safe from bombs and rockets on her school bus or kindergarten class.

Yuyutzu,

I can sincerely tell you that if Israel 'clearly communicated' foregin policy is in line with what you are saying, i don't think any Egyptian / Arab or Muslim will have a problem with that.

You will find the 'street' version in these countries is different to your opinion. Neither Jews, Arabs or Egyptians are or want to be warriors but they were merchants and builders of great civilisations.

All the best to you,

MichaelK,

Not sure I understand your response, but there is a lot of underlying questions that needs to be a) asked and b) clearly communicated. This is for the very safetly of Israelis, Arabs, Egyptians and the whole planet pretty much.

We are living in times whre prejudice is the norm and everyone assumes they know what the others think and will or will not do.

It is for the safety of everyone to run as much as possible of open dialogues and communicate for a better world.

Since I left Egypt I had a lot of good Jewish loyal friends and contacts (I knew my father had a lot of jewish friends in the 40s and 50s). The picture we were fed in the Middle East is different in (on both the Israeli and Arab sides) is different.

We need to learn about and from each other without the paranoia

It is funny to hear of “the very safetly of Israelis, Arabs, Egyptians and the whole planet pretty much” as it sounded, to me at least, that Israelis blown up buses in Alexandria, Baghdad or Paris.

Annihilating the Jews under a cover of “anti-Zionist anti-Israel struggle” is a very goal of all these peaceful folks.

And this is not the end, if even hypothetically occurred

After watching those people yesterday bashing the cameraman, i am absolutely disgusted by what i have seen.

We are simmering here on the same religous riots as overseas. Watching those guys attack people like that makes me so angry as an Australian, as a reasonalbe person and as a former (until yesterday) advocate for muslim integration into Australia.

Imagine if it were ten guys who were able to defend themselves. Cowards. There will be holy war alright, and this will now continue until such time as people like yesterday meet their match, and have the wrong people in Australia scorned and out to get them.

Unfortunately, just like America in someways what underpins both the ability to counter an invasion in Australia, and the existing social fabric is the fundamental white Anglo Saxon male with his own version of extremism. Revenge is a far more destructive motive than Jihad in my opinion, especialy when it gets to a certain scale. I just hope that the innnocent people are not tarnished because of the Voilent, Anti Social, Anti Australian, Gun Carrying, Gang Raping, small section of troublemakers that create the stigmas.

Trust me, sheer numbers mean these type of Muslims will be weeded out, but lets hope not the expense of the rest of the Muslim population.

Disgust at hooligans bashing people making their leaving with submitting news to TV stations is a normal attitude of a normal person.

And what about people who do not employ these bashers –and a variety of many others- only because of them not being from Celtic-Anglo background with UK-links?

Your p r a c t i c a l attitude towards institutional racism in Austalia would change much as well, probably.