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Good intentions: not always good outcomes : Comments

By Roger Smith, published 20/8/2007

Maybe it is time to call the feminists’ bluff and perform radical surgery on our dangerous, and often extremely unjust, domestic violence laws.

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Strayan,
I can fully understand your logic (perhaps). You know a man who married an Asian woman, and he was a “dolt” by your definition, (which could be regarded as being verbal abuse), so any man who marries an Asian woman must be a “dolt” also.

So because whales swim in the sea, anything that swims in the sea must be a whale.

Seems plausible, and its so good to see things from a different perspective.
Posted by HRS, Monday, 20 August 2007 10:47:24 PM
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>There are already entirely appropriate criminal sanctions for assault and violence whether committed by persons of whatever gender, race, class or creed.<
Are there? Then may I ask why they are not exercised more? Police, when called to an issue of domestic violence, still can be heard dismissing it as merely 'a domestic', making little effort to respond, whether children are exposed to the violence or not. And try to get a policeman to deal with issues of child abuse, or a solicitor... and so on the disinterest goes, right through the judicial system, whatever the gender, race, class or creed, whether adult or child.
Your generalisations in this article display gross understatements, along with a huge lack of understanding, of the dynamics of domestic or other abuse. By either party. There seem also, from your comments, indicators that legal advice was not sought. There are enough anomolies in this article that I would suggest buses could be driven through the gaps they make. Perhaps you should work harder to find the FULL story, from both sides, then rewrite the article. I would be most interested then in knowing the outcome.
Posted by arcticdog, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 8:05:25 AM
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"He does all the paid work since Sri refuses to get a job and also does virtually all the housework except the cooking. If he refuses or complains to Sri about her behaviour, she withdraws co-operation from the marriage and accuses Frank of having insulted her"

Is not manipulation, emotional and psychological abuse DV?

It was written somewhere the that strongest indicator of physical violence is where there is an abusive manipulative spouse.

How can a slap be DV when it is an one off event? The Duluth cycle of violence indicates that it is a pattern of violence over many years.

Basically Sri manipulated Frank into this situation and as Erin Pizzey wrote she is the family terrorist.
Posted by JamesH, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 8:17:18 AM
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R0bert, I dont disbelieve your statistic that 70% of marriage breakups are initiated by women, but what are the reasons for the breakup? How does that research treat a marriage breakup where the woman left (or kicked husband out) due to infidelity? How do you know you are getting the truth, when it mostly is a case of he said, she said?
Posted by Country Gal, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 9:41:52 AM
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This Asian bitch-from-hell scenario is ridiculous (and racist). If the current DVO laws are inadequate, then offer some reasonable alternatives to change them, instead of misogynist horror stories and diatribes against feminism. Some or all of the following possibilities could be considered:

• a ‘no fault’ DVO system, in which both partners are legally treated as living in a violent home, rather than one partner being named and shamed as perpetrator
• a warning system – in which a partner can be given, say, three warnings over a certain period before legal action can be taken
• a multi-level category – for example, a DVO can be categorised as minor, intermediate or extreme, and treated accordingly in legal terms.

The problem in the DVO system is not feminism. The problem is trying to create a legal framework to address situational or endemic violence between two people who share property and children. Traditionally, this was not a problem as marriage bound people together for life, and a woman was considered the man’s property. Now that the traditional marital system no longer exists – at least in the West – what is needed is for the law to catch up with the changing reality.
Posted by MLK, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 12:11:02 PM
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MLK
I wonder who keeps portraying “men” as being “perpetrators” of domestic violence.

It wouldn’t be feminist organisation would it.

Of course it couldn't be feminist organisations. Because after all, feminists believe in equality.
Posted by HRS, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 1:38:39 PM
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