Ahhh Peter D, calling me names, does not win you any brownie points
nor any intellectual points. You will have to do a bit better then
that :)

At some point you should question as to what makes Peter D whom he is.
We can show, that we can give you a new heart, new lungs, new kidneys,
a new liver, new eyes, a new face, new arms or legs or fingers, you will still
be Peter D, with somewhat changed appearance,
thats all.

What it comes down to is that your mind is what your brain does and
without a human brain, we don't have a Peter D, simple as that.
We cannot give you a brain transplant either, as no Peter D brain
= no Peter D.

A clump of cells does not have a developed human brain, a person
does. All quite simple really, but perhaps beyond you :)

yvonne, "what a horrible scenario you then describe!" I know. :-)
We are fundamentally different creatures who have to come together to procreate.
I took it to an extreme to make a point that if women can not come to an agreement on accepting that their God given nature sets them apart from men and that it is NOT a conspiracy by men to keep women pregnant and barefoot anchored to the dishwasher. And if you want to have a family you will have to weight that against the value you place in your job, income, and what ever freedoms you attach to being with out child verses being with child. To say it is grossly or manifestly unfair for women to have to "give up" so much to bear a child because men have penises and can remain at work is nonsensical. Then to say if it was men having children they would have every device and law to support their freedom from childbearing. What nonsense. If men had babies they would have maternal instincts not paternal instincts. One follows the other. We would then also have the required hormones and be just as emotionally and intellectually stunned as women. :-)
But here is the major point I am trying to make. If women can not cope with the responsibility of being the incubator of human conception, men tired of listening to the ceaseless whinging and feminist womb hysteria will with the help of science take that responsibility from you. It's that simple. If you doubt the premise search the history books. So while your fembot friends, whom you don't want to be critical of, attempt to foster the responsibility for your sex onto men, be aware. Men pride themselves on their ability to problem solve not on their ability to sit and listen patiently while you go through some hormonal imbalance.

UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Article 2:

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, "BIRTH!" or other status.

Article 3:

Everyone has the right to "LIFE!", liberty and security of person.

I suppose all your "pro-choice to murder" people are going to call the UN a bunch of religious kooks now?

The fact is the unborn human is recognised by law - the highest law on the planet. Its just through a handful of deceitful, evil loopholes that people make the ludicrous claim of a womans supposed right to murder their own children.

You will of course see that the UN uses the word "everyone". What most of the debate is of course about is whether a foetus or a zygote can be recognised as anyone.
It's all in the interpretation isn't it? Does "security of the person" mean a womans right to reproductive choice, or ability to abort a pregnancy when it threatens the wellbeing of the mother? My guess is that many people would feel that it does and to criminalise the act of abortion would violate this article in the UN charter.

The following website is fantastic. I am not too keen on the religious slant of some of the content as I think that evidence and science prove the pro-life arguement resoundingly on their own.

Please watch the introduction video and then really question how it is that people think they have a "right" to such a disturbing practice.

http://www.abort73.com/

Daniel06 there are many disgusting things that are done to people's bodies. Do you really want to rear a child that will never have control of their bowel movements so that every day you have to dig out their hardened faeces? Maybe termination ain't so bad.

see http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5828#81734 for details on how to feed someone with severe cerebral palsy