Wow! what a hornets nest this debate over pregnancy counselling has created?

"False and misleading information will hardly assist these women, nor protect them from mental harm.

In support of the Bill, Despoja affirmed the “urgent need for legislation to outlaw "misleading and deceptive advertising’"

Now don't get me wrong because I support truth in advertising and it is true false and misleading and information does not assist anyone.

But how come? This seems to only be really important in the context of pregnancy and not to cover a much broader range of subjects where we have been deliberately mislead by false information.

There is probably not a single person in this forum who has not heard of the 2nd shift.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/roberts/070509

"But it turned out that Hochschild's conclusions were flawed. First, her data about men's contribution to household chores was 25 years old. Then she interviewed mostly part-time women — some of them married to men who clocked 60 hours a week. Apparently Hochschild expected these men to come home and do the laundry between shifts, all in the name of gender equality.

So when other researchers tried to replicate Hochschild's results, they found the numbers didn't come out right. Their solution? Cook the books!

Case in point was the United Nations report called Human Development 1995, which purported to show that women worked more hours than men. But Farrell did a little gumshoe work and discovered some behind-the-scenes statistical shenanigans.

When the UN bureaucrats found that men often worked more hours, they went back to the original researchers and asked them to "amend" their study to include the estimated time that women devoted to "basket making, weaving, knitting, sewing," and similar unpaid work — yes, really!

But they didn't bother to find out about unpaid work by men."

Yes we get lied too and manipulated all the time by special interest groups.

So who is really telling the truth?

One has to be morally bankrupted not to see that killing the unborn is terribly wrong. This is not a women's issue, it is a human rights issue. How anyone could judge Mr Bush on his Iraq policy and then condone abortion is straight out hyprocrisy! Animals have more rights on this planet than unborn babies.

Runner I guess you have never fallen pregnant as the result of a rape.

That article displays the clear Lack of Morals that the Feotoscide movement realy posses.

How they can even attempt to equate media with health of women, and the right to kill the unborn is beyond beleif. Anybody that gets caught up in the misanthropic, pro-death movement is really missing the point of their very own existance.

An existance which -by the way- was allowed by the parent of the misanthropist/killer. What perhaps might the parents of these so called women have done, if they knew by genetic profiling, that their daughters would turn out to be baby killers?

Anyway, perhaps we should do what has been done in the past, and do what Japan has just started doing -albeit through the Church- and make a Baby-deposit institution. Somewhere where the bearers of babys who have been denied the right to kill, can dump the new borns where they will be safe from the ravages of radical feminists and lesbians.

That way, the babies can also have a later oppurtunity to take it all up with the carcass bearers.

JamesH---what exactly is a special interest group---one that you dont like perhaps?
That kind of framed statement is used by those on the "right" a lot. We ALL belong to multiple special interest groups.

And I wonder what "truth in advertising" could possibly be?

I see that the said Roberts has Russ Limbaugh as a fan---as thought that is a character reference.

Renew America (RA). Beware of any large group that presumes it knows what is best for everyone---and that is exactly what does. At times in the past I have read some of their stuff, especially the essays by Keyes. He has some good things to say no doubt. But RA is one of these outfits that believes in American exceptionalism and the doctrine of manifest destiny. Put in another way, it (America) is part of "gods" plan for the entire world and that it has "gods" mandate to bring "jesus" and "civilization" to everyone else---even via imperial invasion.

Never mind that the USA was founded on religious, political, and economic lies. Massive grand theft, genocide, and slavery. Slavery is also a particularly brutal kind of theft and also genocide. These dark moments in USA have never been truly acknowledged by the ruling whiteys, including, and especially, by outfits such as RA.

I find the argument in Columbus and Other Cannibals quite convincing.
http://nas.ucdavis.edu/Forbes/CANNIBALS/html

The book I referred to yesterday by Morris Berman is an extended description of this cannibal "culture".

I believe that if women leave their pregnancy late enough that abortion should not be possible. It is very chilling to hear grown women advocate the murdering of babies and defend their 'right' to do so. While I would not ban the practice, murdering your child should be frowned upon.