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Oceans in peril : Comments

By Julian Cribb, published 1/3/2007

If we hope that our oceans will sustain us in the future, we must sustain them in the present.

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CYCLONE Odette headed for Mackay.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Qld-communities-on-cyclone-alert/2007/03/03/1172868804069.html

As predicted on March 1st on this thread and 2 months earlier on other threads!

However, the current SHA map shows the wastewater pollution plume (blue, low SHA coastal anomaly) attractor zone has shifted in the last few days to more around the Navy complex at Shoalwater Bay some distance Sth of Mackay.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1172958794.gif (map expires after 2 days so make a copy or generate a new map at this link http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod/work/trinanes/INTERFACE/index.html)

Stay tuned!
Posted by KAEP, Sunday, 4 March 2007 8:02:36 AM
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Additional cyclone news.

Cyclone George is currently cleaning out the JB Gulf off the Nthn Territory http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1862333.htm

There are two mild SHA wastewater anomalies coming from the Argyle and Victoria rivers that appear to be attracting this regional event. George is expected to move SW into the Indian Ocean and this fits well with chain linked SHA anomolies along that trajectory.

Further, there is an unusual low SHA anomaly at Kurumba in the SE corner of Carpentaria Gulf. This is fairly significant and if it attracts cyclonic conditions over the next 3 weeks, it will almost certainly involve Cairns.

If all this pans out, it will be difficult to sustain global warming theories of climate change when there is such immediate evidence of the involvement of wastewater pollution of particular coastal regions. Further this hard evidence of coral reef pollution by wastewaters from coastal migration and suspicious development consents casts doubt over Australia's reputation as protector of the Great Barrier Reef.

If we hope that our oceans will sustain us in the future, we must sustain them and keep them a whole lot CLEANER in the present even if that means certain powerful development and political interests must have their wings and profit margins clipped.
Posted by KAEP, Sunday, 4 March 2007 8:31:15 AM
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That is the problem, ChrisC. The fact that there is so little difference between the simple model and the more complex one over a 100 year projection means the the complex one has some serious flaws.

A century is about a quarter of the time it takes for a complete ocean circulation so the volume of water in which atmospheric CO2 is mixed should be 25% of total ocean volume. That should produce acidity levels that are only 10% of the levels projected in the simple model, but it does not.

And the intelligent response is to ask, why?
Posted by Perseus, Sunday, 4 March 2007 12:39:04 PM
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Looks like Odette was a fizzer...seemed to be more aimed at Townsville anyways
Posted by SkepticsAnonymous, Monday, 5 March 2007 7:39:04 AM
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Kaep

Good on you for going out on a limb. Out of curiosity, how is the predictiveness of recce theory going?
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 8:01:16 PM
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Fester,

RECCE theory is 100% because Cyclonic events are constrained to move from areas of low entropy (tropical heat) to adjacent areas of MAXIMUM high entropy (polluted). That's Physics.

Tthe responses of the Federal, WA and Qld governments are at fault.

The SHA maps between 28Feb http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1173216888.gif and 6Mar http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/trinanes/tmp/sha1173216860.gif show why.

1.The Mackay wastewater anomaly (blue SHA anomaly) shifted from Mackay down to Rockhampton in that time despite Mackay being a major polluter from development for the last 4 months. I induce from this that an attempt was made to SAVE Mackay and shift the cyclone to SEQld. During that time huge wastewater plumes opened up off the sunshine coast and Brisbane presumably to attract Odette to a parched SEQld.
If I am right it means 2 things: Government are aware of RECCE theory and have stuffed up hasty wastewater manipulations. The reason Odette stalled was that it was forced to track south by these strategies into waters too cold to sustain development.
I most unhumbly suggest they ask for my advice before entertaining such future escapades.
Governments and agencies need to get this theory formalised.

2.In NSW globally significant Metropolitan wastewater plumes are dragging heat off the interior to create a NEVER ENDING drought. While Morris Iemma and his insane Labor Immigrational Megalomaniacs are in power, that will not happen. NSW Labor is the immigrant developers government NOT the peoples'.

3.The intense Karumba(Carpentaria) cyclone attractor plume has dissipated. That is wise. Cairns was looking at a ripper cyclone from that attractor.

4.Wastewaters from Kununurra on the Argyle and from the other JB Gulf rivers in WA was the attractor for Cyclone George. The SHA map shows it too has now dissipated. But that is probably from George stirring up the waters in the Gulf. More trouble is likely in ths region if the Howard's Top End farm initiative goes ahead without proper facilities to clean wastewater runoffs.

5.Mackay is not off the hook. they will not wait to repollute the GBR for the 30 days till cyclone season ends. That will reacquire Mackay as a cyclone target.
Posted by KAEP, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 8:16:54 AM
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