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Is multiculturalism really 'mushy'? : Comments

By Jieh-Yung Lo, published 27/2/2007

Multiculturalism may be abandoned as a policy but it continues to live on as a value.

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It is so hard to quarrel: "The difference is simply whether these cultures have grown naturally, or have been force-fed."

So, Anglo-xenophobic opressive "culture", that is a basic stone of/for anything in Australia, had naturally locally grown.

With all my recent realism towards so-called Australian multiculturalism, I would say that culture is not a grass naturally growing wherever a seed wind to bring.
Posted by MichaelK., Wednesday, 14 March 2007 12:31:39 AM
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Pardon me, mylakhrion, for taking "one incident and make a fragmented society out of it. After all, schoolyard fights never happened before multiculturalism.". I shall be more careful next time.

And here's my next time:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21365317-421,00.html

"Armed intruders turn schoolyards into battlefields

March 12, 2007 12:00am

TERRIFIED students and teachers at government schools across NSW are under attack by intruders at a rate of more than one playground invasion a day.

The intruders carrying out these often violent assaults on school grounds include suspected criminals, aggressive ex-students and deranged parents.

Knives, broken bottles, poles, cane-cutters, a sword and even a paving hammer have been used to threaten or harm students, principals and teachers.

One of the victims of the incidents is a male Year 10 student who was assaulted by six youths while sitting an exam, while in another case an enraged parent tried to break down a door to "kill" a Year 7 boy.

Police were also called to a primary school in Sydney's west after the father of two students pulled out a knife and told a mother in Arabic: "You see this, I'm going to put it in your stomach when you leave."

...

the Governmenthas been forced to spend millions of dollars building large steel fences around hundreds of schools, installing elaborate security and putting principals through crisis management courses.

Incident reports show schools were forced to call police in 108 cases in which outsiders threatened the safety of students and staff over a 20-week period. In one case school leaders requested a guard.

Schools on a number of occasions have also become fearful mass organised brawls had been arranged involving their students.

...

The reports from last year show threats have been made to blow up schools and a homemade bomb exploded in one school playground at Condobolin, in the state's west. "

How many more incidents would you like before you take off the rose coloured glasses and smell the stinking feudal state that we are turning into? I would bet money that much of it is ethnic rivalry.

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Posted by online_east, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 2:57:31 PM
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You can dismiss it as just a law-and-order issue that the police will deal with. But our society is breaking down and dumping the job of integration onto police is cruel and unreasonable - it's not their job. Here's the proof:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/police-quit-force-in-record-numbers/2007/03/10/1173478729169.html

"Police quit force in record numbers

March 11, 2007

NSW Police Force has suffered its biggest loss of front-line officers in more than two years, it has been revealed.

Between December 1 and January 31, 149 officers retired, resigned or were medically discharged, figures published by the state's Police Association show.

The exodus is 50 per cent higher than the 50 officers a month officially considered the force's natural drop-out rate."

It will soon be open-season, if it isn't already, because no-one wants to police areas of ethnic diversity.
Posted by online_east, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 3:00:21 PM
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Rereading many of the posts again I think many of us get stuck on our particular meaning of words. Words like culture and integration vs assimilation.

As a person who came to this wonderful country and made this my home from a different culture, the fairly recent concept of multiculturalism has made it much easier for my 'strangeness' to be acceptable. Because my English has an accent it is no longer assumed I'm NOT an Australian.

Who would make the long hard haul to become a citizen of this country to do so with the idea to recreate 'home' in its entirety? We all left 'home' for various good reasons. Reasons that made it untenable to remain there. Moving house can be hard. Can you imagine how hard it is to leave a country? So the reasons for coming here are generally considered more seriously than say getting married by some.

Please look up the meaning of the word 'Culture' and ALL that it entails. And to focus on a particular disgusting aspect of any one culture is not a valid argument to dismiss the value of MC. Every culture has disgusting aspects to it in varying degrees. If they are contrary to Australian law then that is the end of it. No matter what you say, every citizen of Australia answers to Australian law. In the citizenship ceremony you swear to that effect.

What we need to address is Integration. Integration as I understand it means that you feel part of Society as a whole. Why do some citizens, yes Citizens, feel rejected by, or outside of our society? Why do some feel like victims?

Not assimilation. Assimilation means negating where you came from. That's pretty well impossible to do.
And for those going on MC hates 'whites' bandwagon. Please! Think about the different 'white' cultures in Europe.

Basically, do we want to be a crispy tossed salad or mashed potatoes? I like being a tomato, but appreciate the lettuce and onions too.
Posted by yvonne, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 7:42:43 PM
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Pericles says:
“Importing multiculturist policies to a natural monoculture, purely for the sake of doing so, would definitely be courting disaster.In fact, trying to force any alien culture onto an established one is highly dangerous.”

Maybe there is still some hope for him!

Prior to MC becoming a hot thing with trendy ‘academics’ & politicians, Australia was a very healthy evolving monoculture…

People came here adopted the lingua franca
Adapted & slotted into the social & economic landscape .
Even the much maligned “anglo” Australians are not carbon copies of their English counterparts.
( if you didnt learn & adapt - you lost out socially & economically -it was entirely your own doing)

But now MC has introduced a new dynamic & it runs something like this :
If I don’t get my preferred job -It’s not my fault -it’s discrimination
If I or my children don’t get into the preferred college -it’s discrimination .
( never mind the fact that I haven’t bothered to learn English -or upgrade my skills)
And If someone makes a joke or prints a cartoon about ‘my group’ -its harassment.
(Just when we thought we were moving away from such archaic concepts as sacrilege, -we get lumbered with a new shaft of secular anti-sacrilegious mores!)

MC is not the freedom to practice your own religion or festivals -that has more to do with liberalism
MC is not having access to 15 different types of cuisine -that has more to do with enterprise

MC is the artificial attempt to entrench old identities. It is a lifeline for old conservative ethnic patriarchs who seek to isolate & retain the purity of their communities.

Currently MC has had limited success, because there are still sufficient incentives for most of the young to mix & match with their peers.

But with the growing trend towards one group schools, one group clubs, one group suburbs -the tide may turn..
Posted by Horus, Thursday, 15 March 2007 4:44:07 AM
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Yvonne,
How can you say that MC made it easier for you to be accepted? If you were not here before MC was introduced, you have no way of knowing that. Before MC we welcomed immigrants, made allowances for them and referred to them as "New Australians" a usually complimentary term. Now we still welcome immigrants, but some groups dictate to us what they require, and we are expected to comply.

It is a very courageoes thing to immigrate and I admire that courage, but I do not think that we give prospective immigrants sufficient information about our society. I believe most migrants rely on friends and relos to get information. These informants want their friends and relos to come here so pass on info that may not be always correct. For example, they may tell them that although FGM is technically against the law, don't worry because no one has ever been charged and the government turns a blind eye to it.

We should correct this information gap and ensure that prospective have all the info on which to decide if Australia is for them.

I certainly agree that integration is the way to go, we need to improve community solidarity.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:31:11 AM
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