Aqvarius, there is absolutely nothing democratic about the organisations of either Judaism or Christianity. They are hierarchical, male dominated dictatorships.

ybgirp, it's aqvarivs. And what I said was that both Judaism and Christianity are inherent with in democracy. I did not say either was democratic. However The Catholic Church might argue. I believe they elect their Pope and might consider they apply democracy with in their institution while maintaining a hierarchical chain of power.

ybgirp - point taken. Keysar Trad seems to have positioned himself between the more extreme positions taken by Hilaly, and those of the wider community, in a naïve effort to paper over the gaps. Personally I think he’s out of his depth. A lot of cultural and lingual baggage accompanies Islam, and no amount of rationalising will make non-moderate Islam acceptable to Australians.

Having said that I would point out extremism is not peculiar to Islam - take a look at some of the fundie rants on other posts here. To a secularist they all sound despairingly similar.

Yes, wouldn’t it be nice to declare Australia constitutionally secular? In an ideal world one’s religion, one’s dogma, would be a personal thing and proselytising would be frowned upon.

What no one seems to realise is that Islam is not just a religion. It is a total world view that takes in every facet of life, including politics. It is the documented stand of muslims all over the world that they believe Islam to be the one true religion and that every nation on earth will eventualy come under the rule of Islam.

Muslims in Australia and overseas have made some frightening statements, such as, "jews are Pigs". Australians are Liars" The jews should be Elliminated" like a "Tumour". Muslims offended at the publication of a cartoon, chanted on the streets of London "Bomb USA, Bomb UK". The list goes on and yet I have never heard a muslim spokesman in Australia say that they do not believe this stuff. They might say that the Sheiks comments were "unfortunate" but that's about it.

Why don't Muslims protest about acts of terrorism with the same enthusiasm that they protest cartoons and anyone who speaks against them?

Yes I agree that Christianity has a lot to answer for from the PAST. However, I am talking about CURRENT Muslim attitudes and I am telling you that it is the aim of Islam to bring Islamic rule to every country on Earth and the only option Non-Muslims will have are:

1. Fight and be killed
2. Convert to Islam
3. Live in servitude to Islamic rulers under a system that would make Apatheid look like a picnic.

We only have to look at what life is like in places such as Malaysia, Iran, Indonesia or Egypt to see what we can expect under Muslim rule. In Ehypt a Christian Church cannot even repair their broken toilet without special permission from the president.

Folks we need to be aware of the agenda of Islam on this planet.

Visit www.thereligionofpeace.com and then see if you can find a LEARNED muslim to tell you that what is on that sight is not true

Proverbs,

You make some fair observations. I can't help seeing parallels however between what Muslims SAY they're going to do, and what the coalition of the willing IS doing right now, in the middle east.

In other words, how do you think a muslim living in (say) Iran would react to the proposition that "CURRENT Christian attitude...is the aim of Christianity to bring democracy to every country on Earth and the only option Non-Christians will have are..." etc. You could probably tack the same three options onto it and you'd have today's muslim condition in a nutshell.

Sure, many in the west think they're barbarian, but that's not the point. The west has relied on this over the past 60-odd years to get what they want.

No less a danger to us all than Radical Islam and its biggoted followers are the posters who will not see.
Some post saying this is a kick Muslim thread, clearly it is not.
It like others questions unAustralian biggotry and dangerous biggotry based on one faith.
Notice the constant looking back to christian missdeeds of centurys past?
Yes ALL or at least christian and Muslim faiths have done wrong but today we fight for the right to our countrys culture in the name of multi culture?

RObert,

How could the AOG church have irreconcilable values to Australia, undermining our society and threatening our national security?

What possible comparisons can you draw between any church and political Islam?

I think your emotional baggage has gotten the best of your judgment. I was hoping to get a reasonable comment from you, but alas.

Proverbs,

I have been trying for many months to draw attention to the threat of Islam – all I got is labelled as a Christian radical and out of touch with the “moderate” Muslim majority who apparently are a peaceful law abiding bunch.

Australians are much unprepared when it comes to identifying national threats. Their tolerant attitude and lack of understanding of foreign cultures makes them vulnerable to becoming besieged by dangerous regimes.

Islam as you know stands alone as a real foreign danger not only capable by determined in taking over this country. All signs and facts show this reality to be true - but only to the awakened person.

Keep up the good work and remain vigilant.